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Fuel storage.

Postby callmefence » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:47 am

I'm getting ready to install three tanks.
Two five hundred gallon diesel tanks and a three hundred gallon gas. I plan to out all three together on a four inch thick concrete slab in overhead stands.
Vehicles will not be on the concrete but gravel beside it.
Distance from house is about 150 feet.
Anyone have any thoughts or advice on that.
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Re: Fuel storage.

Postby ddd75 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:49 am

a camera if its not behind a gate.
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Re: Fuel storage.

Postby Caustic Burno » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:01 am

Just remember one gallon gasoline vaporized has the explosive value of 8 to 10 sticks of dynamite.
Secondly you better read up on all TCEQ regulation on fuel oil and gasoline storage.
I don’t remember the maximum tank size I have been out of the game a decade.
I remember something about a 1000 gallons having to have a vapor recovery system.
You have to have retaining walls as well for x number of gallons.
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Re: Fuel storage.

Postby bird dog » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:09 am

Why not put on the ground with a electric pump instead of gravity fed? A simple berm around the whole thing is probably worth the trouble, just in case.
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Re: Fuel storage.

Postby callmefence » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:17 am

ddd75 wrote:a camera if its not behind a gate.


Three gates and 3/4 mile. Theft is not a problem.

I've heard of the possibility of retaining walls required to contain spills. I see plenty that don't have them. Mine being completely out of sight I can only see a problem coming from maybe a delivery driver.. don't you think




bird dog wrote:Why not put on the ground with a electric pump instead of gravity fed? A simple berm around the whole thing is probably worth the trouble, just in case.


I actually have the tanks on skids. It would sure be a great option. What about pumping gasoline. There has to be some safety concerns????
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Re: Fuel storage.

Postby Caustic Burno » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:25 am

Fence here are the regs. The delivery driver won’t be able to off load in non complaint facility.
The big problem I see for you is being a business owner operator opens another can of worms.
Anything used commercially is where the regs start piling on.

https://www.tceq.texas.gov/assets/publi ... b/334f.pdf
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Postby bird dog » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:04 pm

I wouldn't think pumping gasoline would be any different than pumping at the gas station. I only have a diesel tank and run my pump off a lawnmower battery just because its simple to hookup.
Gravity flow is just to darn slow for me.

Are you wanting it to buy tax free gasoline for your welders?
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Re: Fuel storage.

Postby Caustic Burno » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:13 pm

bird dog wrote:I wouldn't think pumping gasoline would be any different than pumping at the gas station. I only have a diesel tank and run my pump off a lawnmower battery just because its simple to hookup.
Gravity flow is just to darn slow for me.

Are you wanting it to buy tax free gasoline for your welders?


Lot different better be properly grounded especially with an above ground vented tank.
The flashpoint of gasoline can be as low as 45 degrees. Three hundred gallons makes quite a boom.
We had two barrels in vapor stage go boom at Texas City it registered on the Richter scale. That is 104 gallons.
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Re: Fuel storage.

Postby callmefence » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:15 pm

bird dog wrote:I wouldn't think pumping gasoline would be any different than pumping at the gas station. I only have a diesel tank and run my pump off a lawnmower battery just because its simple to hookup.
Gravity flow is just to darn slow for me.

Are you wanting it to buy tax free gasoline for your welders?


No we plan to pay taxes on the gas.
500 of clear diesel for trucks

500 of red diesel for equipment.
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Re: Fuel storage.

Postby bbirder » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:24 pm

You should talk to the distributor who will deliver the fuel to you. He should be up to date on all regulations required. If not, you should consider another distributor.
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Re: Fuel storage.

Postby Caustic Burno » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:32 pm

bbirder wrote:You should talk to the distributor who will deliver the fuel to you. He should be up to date on all regulations required. If not, you should consider another distributor.


Lord help him if he is in one of the 12 non attainment counties in Texas.
That is a whole nuther ball game.
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Re: Fuel storage.

Postby callmefence » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:43 pm

bbirder wrote:You should talk to the distributor who will deliver the fuel to you. He should be up to date on all regulations required. If not, you should consider another distributor.


Done
A farm or residential tank under 1000
Gallon's is exempt from regulations. They will gladly bring the fuel.
I just don't wanna blow the house ,shop and barn down.
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Re: Fuel storage.

Postby Craig Miller » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:50 pm

Some states require a been large enough to catch the entire tank in case of rupture. Also consider the weight when you pour the concrete. Diesel 7.3 pounds per gallon. Gas 6.3 I think.
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Re: Fuel storage.

Postby Kingfisher » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:42 pm

How are you going to keep all that gasoline from going stale?
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Re: Fuel storage.

Postby callmefence » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:39 pm

Kingfisher wrote:How are you going to keep all that gasoline from going stale?


I'm gonna use it.
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