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Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:12 am
by Jogeephus
Ky hills wrote:I see Jo's point as well, but it is unlikely that any control would be ceded over to individual states at this time in history. I would like to see our producers be able to market meat direct to consumers easier, and more cost effective. My support of COOL is two fold, with out it I am concerned that it could lead to mass importation of beef, both processed and on the hoof, and that in turn could have devastating effects on our local demand and increase health concerns for our livestock. I agree that it would be easier to have our voices heard on a state level than at the national level.


There is actually legislation in the works to change this and give this authority back to the states. Probably won't get to far because the meat monopoly lobbyists will fight this tooth and nail on the grounds of meat safety. Personally, I have no problem with imports because I believe quality will always sell and I seriously doubt those who care more about price than quality give a hoot on whether their meat comes from the USA or Uganda. I think Walmart showed us that. I also don't mind the USDA having a part in food inspection but I believe their role should only be when it comes to interstate or international sales.

As for immigration, the meat lobbyists are one of the strong supporters for open borders because they rely so heavily on immigrant labor to work in their huge slaughterhouses so much so most all the meat lines are now facing east to appease the muslims. The irony here is that WE, through the mandatory beef checkoff funds ultimately fund this very lobby that clearly goes against our very beliefs and interests.

The big question here is why should the USDA have any say on what we do with our beef when its sold to our neighbors in our local community? I think most of us have enough sense to know if our neighbor runs a good sanitary operation or not and we don't need some gov't stamp to tell us they are conscientious and do a good job. Heck, I'm sure we all know of a restaurant or greasy spoon in our community that has the gov't stamp yet we all know it is nasty and and unfit to eat at. So we don't. And soon, capitalism will put them out of business. However, we are deprived of this knowledge by the federal government because the game is rigged to the large meat processing monopoly and they are given the luxury of anonymity through their large size.

If you look at this historically you can see how a lot of this came about by Sinclair's book The Jungle, where he talked about the plight of the workers in these big meat packing facilities. He spoke of the unsanitary conditions in these plants but what by his own admission his main emphasis was that of the plight of the worker and how they were being used. The public was outraged and legislation was passed to correct this. Upton later admitted that his message fell on deaf ears because the legislation passed did nothing to address the problem he saw and it penalized the good parts of the industry. In other words, it put the small local butchers out of business.

These local butchers created skilled jobs. They were family businesses and unlike a mega-processor who hires someone to make a single cut on a carcass the employees here had to know how to process the whole animal into cuts of beef. These people were highly trained and this craft was essentially an art and people made careers of it. Even more, you knew these people and got to look them in the eye when buying their meat. In my small town we had three butchers, each competing against the other and each had at least six full time employees. You could carry a calf to one of them and they would either process the whole thing for you or you could do it on shares and they would sell their share to the public or you could just sell them the whole calf and there was never any re-calls on millions of pounds of meat like we see today.

Just think about how this could effect your bottom line of your operation. Just say you took one calf and ground the whole thing into burger and were able to sell it without the expense of the unnecessary bureaucracy. Sold as ground, one calf would fetch you around $2000 and this wouldn't include the money you'd receive from the fifth quarter. And this doesn't even factor in the fact that your friends and neighbors would be getting some of the best beef they've ever had and this in itself would negate any concerns we might have with imported beef because people wouldn't want imported because they would know the difference. As it is, very few people truly know the difference.

The million dollar question is, why are we not allowed to do this when all it would do is good for our local community and for our operations? Clearly, its not about food safety so its got to be about something else.

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:55 am
by Turkeybird
I'm still for COOL and the wall!

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:42 pm
by Douglas
imported beef is subject to tariffs and quotas (except for Canada and Mexico NAFTA) and there is not going to be massive increase in imports because of it. Big government cattlemen, jeez.

https://www.fas.usda.gov/data/review-us ... ef-imports

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:38 pm
by flounder
TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 2017

USDA APHIS Notice: Animal Disease Traceability (ADT) Summary of Feedback on the ADT Program

http://naiscoolyes.blogspot.com/2017/09 ... sease.html

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:07 am
by Douglas
^ Please don't click on this tolls blog. I thought he had gone away with his mad cow conspiracy theories.

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:22 am
by gaurus
Jogeephus wrote:I'm not for COOL. I'm not for any additional government regulation or new taxes for that matter. What would really help cattlemen is deregulation. Get the federal government out of local meat processing and let's give the states the authority to set the standards of in state butchering and sales of beef and lets go back to the way it used to be before the federal government got involved and "helped us" and put all the small butchers and processors out of business..



I agree and I am NOT for COOL... :cboy:

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:47 am
by Cross-7
A COOL label wouldn't do anything for the fast food industry.
The burger, taco's type places aren't going to label their food for you.

They are probably the biggest buyers of imported meat

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:23 pm
by RanchMan90
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 9381467680 Some propaganda for thought. Something for everybody

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:28 pm
by Turkeybird
I'm still for cool, the wall and for boycotting the nfl

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:58 pm
by True Grit Farms
RanchMan90 wrote:https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154282483617681&id=119381467680 Some propaganda for thought. Something for everybody


There's our beef checkoff dollars at work. Well duh if we didn't import meat from Canada and Mexico we'd need all of the US beef we can produce for our markets. What gives the WTO a say in anything we do, we're the greatest spenders - consumers in the world. And we should use that to our advantage.
Colin is sure getting old, must be all that Kool Aid he's drinking.

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:48 am
by Jogeephus
True Grit Farms wrote:
RanchMan90 wrote:https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154282483617681&id=119381467680 Some propaganda for thought. Something for everybody


There's our beef checkoff dollars at work. Well duh if we didn't import meat from Canada and Mexico we'd need all of the US beef we can produce for our markets. What gives the WTO a say in anything we do, we're the greatest spenders - consumers in the world. And we should use that to our advantage.
Colin is sure getting old, must be all that Kool Aid he's drinking.


Why would you want the federal government involved in something else? I think they have already harmed the meat industry enough why would you want to give them more control?

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:46 pm
by True Grit Farms
Jogeephus wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:
RanchMan90 wrote:https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154282483617681&id=119381467680 Some propaganda for thought. Something for everybody


There's our beef checkoff dollars at work. Well duh if we didn't import meat from Canada and Mexico we'd need all of the US beef we can produce for our markets. What gives the WTO a say in anything we do, we're the greatest spenders - consumers in the world. And we should use that to our advantage.
Colin is sure getting old, must be all that Kool Aid he's drinking.


Why would you want the federal government involved in something else? I think they have already harmed the meat industry enough why would you want to give them more control?


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Just as bad as that Angus bull Jogeephus, Fitzgerald must be the place to take the crazy bulls.

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:06 pm
by Jogeephus
True Grit Farms wrote:
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Just as bad as that Angus bull Jogeephus, Fitzgerald must be the place to take the crazy bulls.


Those horned angus bulls always fetch a better price in Fitzgerald. :lol2:

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:17 pm
by flounder
TUESDAY, OCTOBER 17, 2017

EFSA asked to review risk from processed animal proteins in feed PIG PAP and CWD TSE Prion Oral Transmission

http://efsaopinionbseanimalprotein.blog ... -from.html

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:18 am
by Stocker Steve
True Grit Farms wrote:
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Just as bad as that Angus bull Jogeephus, Fitzgerald must be the place to take the crazy bulls.


What is with the padded chairs?