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Imported beef.

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:58 pm
by True Grit Farms
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/09/13 ... acker.html

Our NCBA representatives need to be fighting for US not against US, we need COOL passed.

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:46 pm
by callmefence
It's a very large swamp isn't it.

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:53 pm
by Douglas
Most in the cattle industry oppose COOL. We import cheap cuts and export expensive cuts of beef. COOL violated our trade agreements and was ruled illegal by WTO. Not worth the cost. Retailers are free to label anything they want.

https://www.beefusa.org/ourviewscolumns ... ewsID=2942

Peel also says beef imports are heavily driven by the enormous market for ground beef in the US. Some 72% of beef imports are lean trimmings used primarily in ground beef and ground beef products. In 2016, ground beef consumption was estimated at 25 pounds per capita, making up 45% of total US retail beef consumption. Lean imported beef supplements domestic supplies of lean trimmings which are mixed with the fatty trimmings from fed cattle meet ground beef demand at home.

Peel explains without imported beef trimmings, a combination of alternate circumstances would impact the US beef industry.


1) Less ground beef would be produced, reducing the value of the nearly 150 pounds of fed trim from each carcass.

2) Roughly 10-15% of steers and heifers would need to be raised and slaughtered as non-fed beef for lean and would be valued roughly the same as cow carcasses.

3) Additional lean from fed carcasses could be ground rather than being used for whatever higher value it sometimes has.


http://www.beefproducer.com/marketing/b ... good-thing

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:59 am
by Turkeybird
I'm for COOL ! I don't want to eat meat or fish from anywhere else unless I know its origin

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:44 am
by True Grit Farms
[quote="Douglas"]Most in the cattle industry oppose COOL. We import cheap cuts and export expensive cuts of beef. COOL violated our trade agreements and was ruled illegal by WTO. Not worth the cost. Retailers are free to label anything they want.

https://www.beefusa.org/ourviewscolumns ... ewsID=2942

Peel also says beef imports are heavily driven by the enormous market for ground beef in the US. Some 72% of beef imports are lean trimmings used primarily in ground beef and ground beef products. In 2016, ground beef consumption was estimated at 25 pounds per capita, making up 45% of total US retail beef consumption. Lean imported beef supplements domestic supplies of lean trimmings which are mixed with the fatty trimmings from fed cattle meet ground beef demand at home.

Peel explains without imported beef trimmings, a combination of alternate circumstances would impact the US beef industry.


1) Less ground beef would be produced, reducing the value of the nearly 150 pounds of fed trim from each carcass.

2) Roughly 10-15% of steers and heifers would need to be raised and slaughtered as non-fed beef for lean and would be valued roughly the same as cow carcasses.

3) Additional lean from fed carcasses could be ground rather than being used for whatever higher value it sometimes has.


http://www.beefproducer.com/marketing/b ... good-thing[/quote]

Wrong, NCBA wants you to believe that. The packers and feedlots are the one's that oppose COOL, no label equals more $money by deception and fraud. The majority of Americans want to know where their food comes from. And the majority of countries that import US beef expect it to be raised in the US not a product of the US of A.

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:57 am
by callmefence
Douglas wrote:Most in the cattle industry oppose COOL. We import cheap cuts and export expensive cuts of beef. COOL violated our trade agreements and was ruled illegal by WTO. Not worth the cost. Retailers are free to label anything they want.

https://www.beefusa.org/ourviewscolumns ... ewsID=2942

Peel also says beef imports are heavily driven by the enormous market for ground beef in the US. Some 72% of beef imports are lean trimmings used primarily in ground beef and ground beef products. In 2016, ground beef consumption was estimated at 25 pounds per capita, making up 45% of total US retail beef consumption. Lean imported beef supplements domestic supplies of lean trimmings which are mixed with the fatty trimmings from fed cattle meet ground beef demand at home.

Peel explains without imported beef trimmings, a combination of alternate circumstances would impact the US beef industry.


1) Less ground beef would be produced, reducing the value of the nearly 150 pounds of fed trim from each carcass.

2) Roughly 10-15% of steers and heifers would need to be raised and slaughtered as non-fed beef for lean and would be valued roughly the same as cow carcasses.

3) Additional lean from fed carcasses could be ground rather than being used for whatever higher value it sometimes has.


http://www.beefproducer.com/marketing/b ... good-thing


Put down the cool aid Doug... just back away.

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:54 am
by Douglas
^ Yea it is a giant conspiracy.
http://www.beefmagazine.com/exports/us- ... f-exporter

^^Like the feedlots and packer absorbed all the cost of COOL. Like every other industry,costs get passed on to buyers which lowers demand, or they pay less for the animals in the first place.

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:26 am
by True Grit Farms
Canada (161,288 mt, +14%) and Mexico (102,600 mt, +9%) ship primarily to the U.S.

The packers and feedlots can buy cheaper beef from those two countries and sell it as a product of the US of A. This is what's bad for the US cattlemen. It'll only be a matter of time before CWD, FMD or some other virus will affect the US export markets. My worries are more with the Mexican and Brazilian beef being sold as a product of the US.

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:32 am
by Ky hills
I am for COOL as well. As most that are involved in the cattle industry, be it cow/calf producers or back grounders, large or small, we are widely accepting of BQA practices and implement them, and I am certain that our ( USA ) raised cattle are raised and fed and processed with the safest and highest standards. I am sure that beef from Canada is a good product also. In years past I have AI bred some cows to Canadian Charolais bulls, with good results
To me the farther away from the source of production the harder it would be to maintain quality control, along with health issues, and practices that could affect those.
We have been selling vegetables at farmers market, and there are lots of folks that do very much care where there food comes from. There is often times a wide range of what is understood about our agricultural practices, which is why I think a lot of folks are sometimes mistrusting, a case in point could be the definition of product of or raised in.

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:14 pm
by Jogeephus
I'm not for COOL. I'm not for any additional government regulation or new taxes for that matter. What would really help cattlemen is deregulation. Get the federal government out of local meat processing and let's give the states the authority to set the standards of in state butchering and sales of beef and lets go back to the way it used to be before the federal government got involved and "helped us" and put all the small butchers and processors out of business. Prior to their meddling we could slaughter and sell our animals locally without all the BS. This created local skilled jobs and the consumer actually had a choice. Anyone in favor of more regulation must have a higher degree of trust of the federal government than I do because I think the federal government has proven time and time again that they could screw up a wet dream and if you think that COOL will do what you think it will I think you must be delusional because the lobbyist will soon have us all working for the company store if we don't get our states' rights back when it comes to processing. Truegrit, consider your cattle probably have 2000 miles of freight on them before the meat reaches the consumer. Just think what you could do with the money saved from this if you could sell them locally without the BS.

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:33 pm
by Turkeybird
How would you like to eat a big ole mess of crawfish or shrimp boil and some fried frog legs at a restraunt and be told after you ate that they all were raised in a sewer in China! Now do you get what I'm feelin

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:58 pm
by Jogeephus
Turkeybird wrote:How would you like to eat a big ole mess of crawfish or shrimp boil and some fried frog legs at a restraunt and be told after you ate that they all were raised in a sewer in China! Now do you get what I'm feelin


I follow what you are saying but it doesn't get in our food chain unless it is first approved by the USDA. Do you follow what I'm saying?

Give the states' their rights back to control what goes in the food supply within the state and you won't have this nonsense. When you concentrate power and give up state's rights to the federal government you are only making it easier for the lobbyist or the corrupt politicians to rig the game against the small producers because our voice isn't heard.

If I was afraid of Chinese frog legs I think I would have a better chance getting them banned from my state without the federal government.

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:00 pm
by callmefence
Jogeephus wrote:
Turkeybird wrote:How would you like to eat a big ole mess of crawfish or shrimp boil and some fried frog legs at a restraunt and be told after you ate that they all were raised in a sewer in China! Now do you get what I'm feelin


I follow what you are saying but it doesn't get in our food chain unless it is first approved by the USDA. Do you follow what I'm saying?

Give the states' their rights back to control what goes in the food supply within the state and you won't have this nonsense. When you concentrate power and give up state's rights to the federal government you are only making it easier for the lobbyist or the corrupt politicians to rig the game against the small producers because our voice isn't heard.

If I was afraid of Chinese frog legs I think I would have a better chance getting them banned from my state without the federal government.


I understand Jo,s point. It would be better if everything was kept small and local. Then you know what your getting without the government telling you. problem is people with the exception of a very few are not willing to endure the sacrifice it would take to get back to that level.
The same way I believe in hiring local American born labor, often to the point of my own disadvantage. It's like closing the gate after the cows are already out.

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:09 pm
by Turkeybird
Didn't some of that jbs shady beef make it here?

Re: Imported beef.

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:22 pm
by Ky hills
I see Jo's point as well, but it is unlikely that any control would be ceded over to individual states at this time in history. I would like to see our producers be able to market meat direct to consumers easier, and more cost effective. My support of COOL is two fold, with out it I am concerned that it could lead to mass importation of beef, both processed and on the hoof, and that in turn could have devastating effects on our local demand and increase health concerns for our livestock. I agree that it would be easier to have our voices heard on a state level than at the national level.