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Re: Why Prices Are Down

Postby RanchMan90 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:20 pm

Good news for South America. Their input costs have to be rock bottom basement prices. Would be interesting to tour there.
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Postby True Grit Farms » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:37 pm

RanchMan90 wrote:Good news for South America. Their input costs have to be rock bottom basement prices. Would be interesting to tour there.


In South America they probably operate like the cattlemen in south central Florida. No inputs are needed unless it's a very cold winter and then you just put molasses out and the cows will eat anything to fill their belly.
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Postby BK9954 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:56 pm

Their cattle are a mix between indian cattle and their cattle. Watched a documentary on it. Whenever they cut down all the rainforests it turned into the some of the richest Ranch land in the world.
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Re: Why Prices Are Down

Postby dieselbeef » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:03 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:
RanchMan90 wrote:Good news for South America. Their input costs have to be rock bottom basement prices. Would be interesting to tour there.


In South America they probably operate like the cattlemen in south central Florida. No inputs are needed unless it's a very cold winter and then you just put molasses out and the cows will eat anything to fill their belly.



wow..........
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Postby dieselbeef » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:18 pm

http://youtu.be/DdS9XPAUsuI


video from rcalf is good
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Re: Why Prices Are Down

Postby True Grit Farms » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:44 pm

dieselbeef wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:
RanchMan90 wrote:Good news for South America. Their input costs have to be rock bottom basement prices. Would be interesting to tour there.


In South America they probably operate like the cattlemen in south central Florida. No inputs are needed unless it's a very cold winter and then you just put molasses out and the cows will eat anything to fill their belly.



wow..........


Well you know how it works first hand. I know we never put a roll of hay out on any of the Carlton ranches. Gary believe it or not, hay is fed from Perry north in Florida. You guy's have it made down there. Well besides the price of land, and insurance and the dam Yankees.
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Postby dieselbeef » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:47 pm

and the drought....true it don't snow..but Bahia dont grow much after sept ...
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Postby wbvs58 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:12 pm

Margonme wrote:
ClinchValley wrote:Everything in this country is corrupt isn't it? No one can handle a little bit of power without turning to the dark side.

What can we do aside from getting the word out?


Money is the root to all evil. Well....In this case it is.

What can we do? IDK. Producers have no leverage.


Yes Ron bottom of the food chain "price takers not price makers".

Problem is the same in most countries.

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Re: Why Prices Are Down

Postby wbvs58 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:23 pm

A lot of the problem we have and I imagine you do too, governments are not keen to look into anything that might increase the cost of food. We have what is called the CPI (consumer price index) and meat is one of the basics that goes into this index and they like it to stay low to make themselves look good. In reality the official rate of inflation as measured by the basket of goodies they measure never correlates with how tougher people are doing things but low figures and the government looks good.

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Postby Margonme » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:47 pm

wbvs58 wrote:A lot of the problem we have and I imagine you do too, governments are not keen to look into anything that might increase the cost of food. We have what is called the CPI (consumer price index) and meat is one of the basics that goes into this index and they like it to stay low to make themselves look good. In reality the official rate of inflation as measured by the basket of goodies they measure never correlates with how tougher people are doing things but low figures and the government looks good.

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Same circumstances in the USA. Every administration for the past 40 years has been milking down the CPI for political gains. Doing so avoids facing the crippling rate of real inflation. In fact, Americans eat cheap because the producer gets screwed by government.
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Postby angus9259 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:25 pm

Margonme wrote:HEY GRIT: DIDN'T THE 2014 ELECTION GIVE REPUBLICANS CONTROL OF HOUSE AND SENATE. HOW THE HEII DID THEY THINK REPEALING COOL WAS GOOD FOR US CATTLE PRODUCERS?



News flash - they all lie. News flash - they all follow the money. News flash - big corporations are the money. News flash - big corporations make the most profits from trade deals. News flash - any candidate on the ballot today or tomorrow will do the same thing (ANY candidate) - lie and side with corporate America. This is the lay of the land regardless of what they are saying today to get elected. Your savior is not coming regardless of which way you vote. The only hope is that a true lobbying effort exists to protect the situation. The problem - all candidates swear they can't be persuaded by lobbyist. The truth: They ALL are persuaded by lobbyists - even when they SAY they aren't. The final problem: we are corporate America. Anyone who owns stocks in a retirement plan, 401k or any other vehicle actual OWNS the companies in question and we expect those companies to make more money so those stocks will appreciate. We also want everything WE are buying to be cheap while everything we are selling we want to be expensive. Life doesn't work that way.

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Re: Why Prices Are Down

Postby BK9954 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:03 pm

The whole thing stinks to high heaven. Getting sold out to international interest and corporations. Either have to reform the laws, find a niche in the market or find an economical way of raising cattle that conforms to the crashing cattle market if it is not to recover based on foriegn inports.
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Re: Why Prices Are Down

Postby Tim/South » Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:10 pm

None of us cow/calf producers would have liked COOL the way it was written. We have used and depended on cattle from Mexico and Canada for 100 years. U.S. stocker operations have grazed Mexican calves since the west was won. At some point those calves should have more rights than an illegal immigrant. All of our calves would have had to been permanently marked to identify them as U.S. born. The explanation to me was we needed to micro chip our calves so they could be traced each step of the way to slaughter. Feeder yearlings from Canada and stocker calves from Mexico could not co-mingle with U.S. born calves.
The label should should have been North American beef.
COOL was designed to intentionally fail and allow cheaper fresh beef imports.
Congress defunded the enforcement branch of the USDA on November18, 2011.
U.S. meat packers began closing slaughter facilities. It is cheaper to import beef than pay union wages to process them.
It is illegal to import fresh beef from Brazil. They have Foot and Mouth Disease, which is an airborne disease.
Brazil (JBS) is now allowed to import 250 tons of fresh beef into the U.S. each month. Next year the number increases to 2,500 tons a month.
Since COOL was repealed and the USDA unable to enforce current laws, the American people will never know where their beef was raised and processed. Until recently all Brazil could export to us was canned beef.

The other side of the coin is that the meat packing industry controls the raising of pork and chicken. They profit from the farm to the store. Much more profit for them in pork and chicken. Our kids were raised on chicken fingers and we did not see this coming.
Not so with beef. The only way to price control is to import cheaper beef, reduce U.S. slaughter numbers and make fat cattle back up on the feed lots.
We are currently processing around 600,000 a week. That is probably close to our capicity. We would need to reopen slaughter facilities to get back to the 650,000 weeks of old.
Packers are sending the trimmings from U.S. beef to their over seas facilities and mixing in the grind to add flavor. Some claim this makes at least part of the beef U.S.

We were set up from day one with the way COOL was worded.
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Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:20 pm

This is all very depressing.
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Postby True Grit Farms » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:01 pm

Tim/South wrote:None of us cow/calf producers would have liked COOL the way it was written. We have used and depended on cattle from Mexico and Canada for 100 years. U.S. stocker operations have grazed Mexican calves since the west was won. At some point those calves should have more rights than an illegal immigrant. All of our calves would have had to been permanently marked to identify them as U.S. born. The explanation to me was we needed to micro chip our calves so they could be traced each step of the way to slaughter. Feeder yearlings from Canada and stocker calves from Mexico could not co-mingle with U.S. born calves.
The label should should have been North American beef.
COOL was designed to intentionally fail and allow cheaper fresh beef imports.
Congress defunded the enforcement branch of the USDA on November18, 2011.
U.S. meat packers began closing slaughter facilities. It is cheaper to import beef than pay union wages to process them.
It is illegal to import fresh beef from Brazil. They have Foot and Mouth Disease, which is an airborne disease.
Brazil (JBS) is now allowed to import 250 tons of fresh beef into the U.S. each month. Next year the number increases to 2,500 tons a month.
Since COOL was repealed and the USDA unable to enforce current laws, the American people will never know where their beef was raised and processed. Until recently all Brazil could export to us was canned beef.

The other side of the coin is that the meat packing industry controls the raising of pork and chicken. They profit from the farm to the store. Much more profit for them in pork and chicken. Our kids were raised on chicken fingers and we did not see this coming.
Not so with beef. The only way to price control is to import cheaper beef, reduce U.S. slaughter numbers and make fat cattle back up on the feed lots.
We are currently processing around 600,000 a week. That is probably close to our capicity. We would need to reopen slaughter facilities to get back to the 650,000 weeks of old.
Packers are sending the trimmings from U.S. beef to their over seas facilities and mixing in the grind to add flavor. Some claim this makes at least part of the beef U.S.

We were set up from day one with the way COOL was worded.


You could be right or you could be tied in with ACA which is controlled by NCBA. We don't need Mexican or Canadian beef in this country is my feeling. Didn't Canada have mad cow awhile back?
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