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Cattle Cycle Comments ?

Postby Stocker Steve » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:47 am

Talking heads touched on the traditional cattle cycle last Saturday. Guest expert thought that the "mountain of meat" was still building, so fat prices would trend down for 2 more years, and that fats could go as low as $80.

Have you heard any support for these opinions?
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Postby Ebenezer » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:02 am

Might want to update and just call it the packers cycle. Anybody lower down in the production system are serfs unless you find a nitch or direct market.
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Postby Margonme » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:28 am

Steers bringing 1.10 per pound. But a pound ribeye cost 15 dollars. As Ebenezer said, the serfs are being taken to the woodshed and the meatpacker raping the producer.
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Postby RanchMan90 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:33 am

They're not all ribeye though. Hanging weight will be 60% of live weight, 60% of that will make it to boxed beef. I agree the ball is in their court though, it's just their turn.
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Postby WalnutCrest » Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:50 am

Gas stations make the most money when oil prices fall. Meat packers are the same.

The difference being it doesn't cost us a bajillion dollars to get better prices for our critters. Just a little creativity and a willingness to think.

Cow / calf producers have been serfs for a long time, raising cattle that make more money for them at the cost of the rancher.
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Postby Bigfoot » Sun Nov 06, 2016 9:32 am

I think in a global economy, it would be hard for any cycle to exist. I hate to hear that finished cattle could drop that low.
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Postby zirlottkim » Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:40 pm

https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/p ... ngourworld "We will devote resources to developing rural areas and sustainable agriculture and fisheries, supporting smallholder farmers, especially women farmers, herders and fishers in developing countries, particularly least developed countries................ We will seek to build strong economic foundations for all our countries. Sustained, inclusive and sustainable economic growth is essential for prosperity. This will only be possible if wealth is shared and income inequality is addressed............ We commit to making fundamental changes in the way that our societies produce and consume goods and services." Don't worry, the U.N. will save us with AGENDA 2030.
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Postby Margonme » Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:48 pm

zirlottkim wrote:https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/post2015/transformingourworld "We will devote resources to developing rural areas and sustainable agriculture and fisheries, supporting smallholder farmers, especially women farmers, herders and fishers in developing countries, particularly least developed countries................ We will seek to build strong economic foundations for all our countries. Sustained, inclusive and sustainable economic growth is essential for prosperity. This will only be possible if wealth is shared and income inequality is addressed............ We commit to making fundamental changes in the way that our societies produce and consume goods and services." Don't worry, the U.N. will save us with AGENDA 2030.


Now your spreading propaganda. :D
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Postby zirlottkim » Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:19 pm

Margonme wrote:
zirlottkim wrote:https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/post2015/transformingourworld "We will devote resources to developing rural areas and sustainable agriculture and fisheries, supporting smallholder farmers, especially women farmers, herders and fishers in developing countries, particularly least developed countries................ We will seek to build strong economic foundations for all our countries. Sustained, inclusive and sustainable economic growth is essential for prosperity. This will only be possible if wealth is shared and income inequality is addressed............ We commit to making fundamental changes in the way that our societies produce and consume goods and services." Don't worry, the U.N. will save us with AGENDA 2030.


Now your spreading propaganda. :D

The "shared wealth" part gets me. Seem to hear a lot of that talk lately. If......If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'ld wonder how the U.N. & ICLEI, among others, are involved in manipulating the cattle market for their sustainability or socialist goals.
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Postby Margonme » Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:20 pm

zirlottkim wrote:
Margonme wrote:
zirlottkim wrote:https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/post2015/transformingourworld "We will devote resources to developing rural areas and sustainable agriculture and fisheries, supporting smallholder farmers, especially women farmers, herders and fishers in developing countries, particularly least developed countries................ We will seek to build strong economic foundations for all our countries. Sustained, inclusive and sustainable economic growth is essential for prosperity. This will only be possible if wealth is shared and income inequality is addressed............ We commit to making fundamental changes in the way that our societies produce and consume goods and services." Don't worry, the U.N. will save us with AGENDA 2030.


Now your spreading propaganda. :D

The "shared wealth" part gets me. Seem to hear a lot of that talk lately. If......If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'ld wonder how the U.N. & ICLEI, among others, are involved in manipulating the cattle market for their sustainability or socialist goals.


You and I both know the UN is not for equality, not when it comes to the USA, the USA always bears the financial burdens of UN endeavors.
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Re: Cattle Cycle Comments ?

Postby wbvs58 » Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:55 am

With everyone in the world having to eat, you would think that we as producers would be in the box seat.

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Postby Stocker Steve » Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:58 am

wbvs58 wrote:With everyone in the world having to eat, you would think that we as producers would be in the box seat.

Ken


Ag economics are interesting. If prices go down - - producers try to make it up in volume. The US is projected to produce 2 to 4% more white meat and 5% more red meat next year. We need more steak houses!
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Re: Cattle Cycle Comments ?

Postby Ebenezer » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:37 am

wbvs58 wrote:With everyone in the world having to eat, you would think that we as producers would be in the box seat.

Ken
The delivery is always the issue we face daily but the bigger problem looming behind it is is regulations. Folks ask to come to the farm and dress a lamb and take the carcass home. They would dress it and they would eat it. It is illegal because it is the operation of an unlicensed abattoir. $500 fine per occurrence. Who are the persons this law is protecting? Certainly not the folks who cannot buy a lamb because of this or have to haul and pay $25 to $70 to have done what they can do for themselves. Odd thing: they can come here and shoot a deer, a wild hog, a squirrel, clean it and eat it without fault.
The laws are there to protect and control the supply of food and not to protect the consumer. Abattoirs pay fees, buy licences, require inspectors, can be known, tracked, followed, harassed and thus private rights are taken to allow state control of food sourcing and delivery. Same for inspection plants needing federal meat inspectors to transport and sell meat across state lines. Totally unnecessary if state inspectors are able to do a good job. What ever happened to states rights? Mere control, erosion of personal rights, nothing to do with food safety except if the state or feds sue a company over a bad product the government entity gets the money taken as penalty. If the laws were not there and neighbor Joe Blow sold me sausage that made me sick I can sue him and I get the money. It's all about the power of government and a corporate body trumping the private citizen.
The inability or unlevel playing field of meat sales puts big business in the driver's seat. No doubt they or some like them saw that laws favored companies over individual rights.
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Re: Cattle Cycle Comments ?

Postby hurleyjd » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:40 am

Margonme wrote:Steers bringing 1.10 per pound. But a pound ribeye cost 15 dollars. As Ebenezer said, the serfs are being taken to the woodshed and the meatpacker raping the producer.


Rib eye at Sam's was $6.48 last week.
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Re: Cattle Cycle Comments ?

Postby hurleyjd » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:59 am

Ebenezer wrote:
wbvs58 wrote:With everyone in the world having to eat, you would think that we as producers would be in the box seat.

Ken
The delivery is always the issue we face daily but the bigger problem looming behind it is is regulations. Folks ask to come to the farm and dress a lamb and take the carcass home. They would dress it and they would eat it. It is illegal because it is the operation of an unlicensed abattoir. $500 fine per occurrence. Who are the persons this law is protecting? Certainly not the folks who cannot buy a lamb because of this or have to haul and pay $25 to $70 to have done what they can do for themselves. Odd thing: they can come here and shoot a deer, a wild hog, a squirrel, clean it and eat it without fault.
The laws are there to protect and control the supply of food and not to protect the consumer. Abattoirs pay fees, buy licences, require inspectors, can be known, tracked, followed, harassed and thus private rights are taken to allow state control of food sourcing and delivery. Same for inspection plants needing federal meat inspectors to transport and sell meat across state lines. Totally unnecessary if state inspectors are able to do a good job. What ever happened to states rights? Mere control, erosion of personal rights, nothing to do with food safety except if the state or feds sue a company over a bad product the government entity gets the money taken as penalty. If the laws were not there and neighbor Joe Blow sold me sausage that made me sick I can sue him and I get the money. It's all about the power of government and a corporate body trumping the private citizen.
The inability or unlevel playing field of meat sales puts big business in the driver's seat. No doubt they or some like them saw that laws favored companies over individual rights.


http://www.polyfacefarms.com/food-sales/

Want to work all day on your e farm then try some of the techniques shown on this website. For some reason I think that they process the chickens in an open air processing shed.
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