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Re: Whats a reasonable price for registered hereford heifers

Postby BK9954 » Sun May 07, 2017 3:15 pm

Dsteim wrote:I don't know about Hereford sales but I watch most of the brangus sales and there's deals to be had on bred and 3n1 cows if your willing to sit through sales.

Yeah a lot of the brangus seem to be going cheaper then others. Its tempting to buy more and I love my brangus girls but money is the bottom line and I am spending almost the same feed per animal no matter what I run. I figure get some that are selling higher.
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Re: Whats a reasonable price for registered hereford heifers

Postby Caustic Burno » Sun May 07, 2017 3:22 pm

BK9954 wrote:Purebred herf with a couple commercial brahman for some tigerstripe calves as well. Have a registered bull, why not use it to my advantage.

Here's why
The ABA even discourages that cross of Brahman over Hereford due to BW concern.
The bull calfs are behemoth
I am a Brahman fan but your plan has O Shyt all over it especially with heifers

https://www.brahman.org/PDFs/Reciprocal ... rences.pdf
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Re: Whats a reasonable price for registered hereford heifers

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Caustic Burno wrote:
BK9954 wrote:Purebred herf with a couple commercial brahman for some tigerstripe calves as well. Have a registered bull, why not use it to my advantage.

Here's why
The ABA even discourages that cross of Brahman over Hereford due to BW concern.
The bull calfs are behemoth
I am a Brahman fan but your plan has O Shyt all over it especially with heifers

https://www.brahman.org/PDFs/Reciprocal ... rences.pdf

I have a hereford bull. I want a mix of both Reg herf and comm. brahm. cows. My bull is a virgin but EPD of +5 on BW. His BW was 80 pounds. I wouldnt use him on heifers, but I dont have a brahman bull. I am already a member of the AHA. I sent my brangus bull to the auction.
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Re: Whats a reasonable price for registered hereford heifers

Postby Caustic Burno » Sun May 07, 2017 3:40 pm

That is the way to do the tiger breeding.
As far as wanting registered Hereford if you go that route there are two options first class and baggage.
You will be selling your name with any Hereford you sell.
The Hereford association is a PIA as far as i concerned unless your just looking to be a pedigree breeder.
The AHA and I parted ways over there crooked crap after two decades.
Your actually better off buying registered Brahman and selling or keeping the certified golden.
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Re: Whats a reasonable price for registered hereford heifers

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Caustic Burno wrote:That is the way to do the tiger breeding.
As far as wanting registered Hereford if you go that route there are two options first class and baggage.
You will be selling your name with any Hereford you sell.
The Hereford association is a PIA as far as i concerned unless your just looking to be a pedigree breeder.
The AHA and I parted ways over there crooked crap after two decades.
Your actually better off buying registered Brahman and selling or keeping the certified golden.

Theres and idea, brahman are on the menu, registered are higher then herefords. Whats wrong with the AHA and dont you need them to list and track EPD'S?
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Postby Caustic Burno » Sun May 07, 2017 4:21 pm

The AHA will nickel and dime you to death with membership fees and TPRor whatever they are calling it today.
The sorry basterds decided by the board overnight to take away your EPD's if you didn't participate in TPR.
Cattle that went back to the original herd book were denied there EPD's if you didn't participate in their pyramid scheme.
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Re: Whats a reasonable price for registered hereford heifers

Postby TexasBred » Mon May 08, 2017 1:06 pm

BK9954 wrote:Purebred herf with a couple commercial brahman for some tigerstripe calves as well. Have a registered bull, why not use it to my advantage.

BK Herefords are probably so high because of the shortage of really high quality Herefords in the state. Most of what you see up this way have been bred down to nothing but junk. Only place I've ever seen that is suppose to have good cattle up this way is http://w4ranch.com/ . I don't know anything about them, don't know the owners and have never been on their place but they are suppose to have a good reputation for easy keeping hard working cattle.
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Re: Whats a reasonable price for registered hereford heifers

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TexasBred wrote:
BK9954 wrote:Purebred herf with a couple commercial brahman for some tigerstripe calves as well. Have a registered bull, why not use it to my advantage.

BK Herefords are probably so high because of the shortage of really high quality Herefords in the state. Most of what you see up this way have been bred down to nothing but junk. Only place I've ever seen that is suppose to have good cattle up this way is http://w4ranch.com/ . I don't know anything about them, don't know the owners and have never been on their place but they are suppose to have a good reputation for easy keeping hard working cattle.

Yes there is a LOT of junk out there. So many of them should be culled. Most are being bought from the auction and resold on craiglist and facebook. So I guess someone did cull those and they are being recycled.
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Re: Whats a reasonable price for registered hereford heifers

Postby Caustic Burno » Mon May 08, 2017 2:00 pm

That is why the list I sent you was so short. Same problem as most other breeds selling paper.
I can't for the life of me remember the breeder out of Canton that had really good stuff.
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It's Double H Herefords finally came to me.
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Re: Whats a reasonable price for registered hereford heifers

Postby Son of Butch » Mon May 08, 2017 6:07 pm

BK9954 wrote:I have been shopping registered hereford heifers 12-15 months old.
Cant find anything except 4 skinny ones that are under $1800 in Texas, some up to $2200. Is this the industry average?
Are registered hereford heifers the gold of the industry?

Over a dozen replies and since I only see one (Aaron's) that actually addressed any of your questions. I'll add my :2cents:

What's a Reasonable price for (open) registered Hereford heifers?
2 feeder calves
current cash feeder price 1.48 x 550 lbs = 814 x 2 = $1628
Nov 2017 feeder futures 1.4550 = $1600
April 2018 feeder futures 1.3625 = $1,499

Is $1800 - $2200 ($2,000) the (current) industry average for registered Hereford heifers 12-15 months old?
I wouldn't think so as under current market conditions $2,000 hd seems way too high to be the average.
Perhaps AHA could give you reported sale averages... I can't.

Are registered Hereford Heifers the gold (standard) of the (cattle) industry?
Hill NO
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Re: Whats a reasonable price for registered hereford heifers

Postby Caustic Burno » Mon May 08, 2017 6:20 pm

March sale open F-1 averaged 1850
Registered Brahman 3000.
So that gives you a reference
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Re: Whats a reasonable price for registered hereford heifers

Postby Son of Butch » Mon May 08, 2017 6:38 pm

Caustic Burno wrote:March sale open F-1 averaged 1850
Registered Brahman 3000.
So that gives you a reference

How does that help him?
Are you saying Yes Herefords are gold and = to price of Brahman?

Open registered Brahman heifers (12-15 months old) AVERAGED $3,000? :bs:
You Have Got To Be Blowing Smoke! or not telling the whole story
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Re: Whats a reasonable price for registered hereford heifers

Postby Caustic Burno » Mon May 08, 2017 6:41 pm

Son of Butch wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:March sale open F-1 averaged 1850
Registered Brahman 3000.
So that gives you a reference

How does that help him?
Are you saying Yes Herefords are gold and = to price of Brahman?

Open registered Brahman heifers (12-15 months old) AVERAGED $3,000? :bs:
You Have Got To Be Blowing Smoke! or not telling the whole story


Yearly F-1 Golden Sale
March sale
The offering was elite and the bidding proved it at the 29th Annual American Brahman Breeders Association (ABBA) National F-1 & TBA Sponsored Brahman Female Sale at Caldwell, Texas on March 19th. Forty-two consignors from Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma and Arizona brought 718 head and bidders at the sale and online paid them top dollar.

“This year’s sale offering was one of the best to date with the quality running deep and the breeders doing an outstanding job of preparing and presenting the cattle, ” says ABBA Executive Vice President Chris Shivers. “By evidence of the standing-room only crowd and active bidding, it was obvious producers are looking for Brahman and F-1 cattle when restocking their pastures for the future.”

Tipp Ranch of Sealy, Texas, was awarded the champion pen of Brahmans at the 29th Annual ABBA National F-1 & TBA Brahman Sale. This pen of six open Registered Brahman heifers brought an average of $4,150 per head.

John Malazzo Farms of Caldwell, Texas, exhibited the champion F-1 pairs. These five ABBA Certified F-1 Hereford x Brahman pairs with Angus sired calves brought $4,500 per pair.

Bonchasse Land & Cattle Co. of Grand Cane, Louisiana, was awarded the champion pen of bred F-1 females. These five Golden Certified Hereford x Brahman F-1 females bred to Angus bulls brought $3,500 per head.

John Malazzo Farms received the champion exposed pen of F-1’s recognition. This pen of five ABBA Certified Hereford x Brahman F-1 Females exposed to Angus bulls brought $3,600 per head.

Bonchasse Land & Cattle Co also won champion pen of open F-1 heifers. Their pen of five ABBA Golden Certified Hereford x Brahman F-1 Females brought $2,850 per head.

Sale averages include:
– 54 Golden Certified/Certified F-1 pairs averaged $3,968.04
– 36 Bred Golden Certified/Certified F-1’s averaged $3,076.33
– 222 Exposed Golden Certified/Certified F-1’s averaged $2,655.59
– 96 Open Golden Certified/Certified F-1’s averaged $1,850.84
– 16 Bred Registered Brahman females averaged $3,018
– 11 Exposed Registered Brahman females averaged $2,622
– 58 Open Registered Brahman females averaged $3,237

The sale was managed by Broken Triangle Cattle Marketing and Caldwell Livestock Commission, and was dedicated to Bill Crain of Pearsall, Texas, for his longtime belief, dedication and support to the ABBA F-1 Certification Program. Crain has been a lifelong cattleman and believer in the Brahman/Hereford F-1 cow.
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Re: Whats a reasonable price for registered hereford heifers

Postby Son of Butch » Mon May 08, 2017 7:47 pm

Caustic Burno wrote:
Son of Butch wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:March sale open F-1 averaged 1850
Registered Brahman 3000.
So that gives you a reference

How does that help him?
Are you saying Yes Herefords are gold and = to price of Brahman?

Open registered Brahman heifers (12-15 months old) AVERAGED $3,000? :bs:
You Have Got To Be Blowing Smoke! or not telling the whole story


Yearly Golden March sale
The offering was elite ..... and bidders paid top dollar.
... the champion pen of six open Registered Brahman heifers brought an average of $4,150 per head.

Sale averages include:
– 16 Bred Registered Brahman females averaged $3,018
– 11 Exposed Registered Brahman females averaged $2,622

How does posting info from the Elite Brahman sale, (including the champion pen in the average), help answer the
original poster's question of What's a reasonable price for registered Hereford heifers?

Do you want to 'fess up to breed pimpin', cherry pickin' and blowin' smoke?
Or are you saying a reasonable registered Hereford should be worth at least what Elite registered Brahman bring?
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Re: Whats a reasonable price for registered hereford heifers

Postby Caustic Burno » Mon May 08, 2017 7:59 pm

He is wanting to make F-1's tigers if I read his original post correctly
Hereford will never be worth the price of Brahman heifers maybe 2/3.
Hard to breed pimp F-1's
There just better cows and the science is there to back it up.
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