Selling bulls compared to steers.

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Re: Selling bulls compared to steers.

Postby callmefence » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:27 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:
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True Grit Farms wrote:Well to be honest I did use the most extreme price differences at this Wednesday's sale in Ashburn Georgia. Turner county stock yard sponsored our GCA supper last night and was pushing castration for bull calves, and also holding the calves till there around 700+ lbs, if you have the pasture.


I reckon Turner county stockyards auction off cattle and get paid by commission.
They did pay for dinner anyway


Have you tried banding or cutting at birth or in the first month? Turner county sponsors a supper a year, been in the same place and owned by the Wiggins family for 57 years. Yes he's in business to make money, but I truly believe he wants us to make as much money as possible also.


No I've never cut that young.
I've only used bands once. They seem to me to get over the knife faster.
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Re: Selling bulls compared to steers.

Postby BC » Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:01 pm

It depends on the time of the year here as to how much discount is applied to cutting bulls 500 lbs and up. In August until frost, the dock is $5 to $10 per cwt and as much as $15 per cwt on some 700 pounders. I applaud that sale barn operator for trying to help his customers get as much for their calves as he can. One reason he is encouraging producers to castrate their calves is because his buyers are starting to carry more "steer only" orders. I see it weekly here in East Texas and can imagine it is also happening in the southeast.
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Re: Selling bulls compared to steers.

Postby BC » Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:03 am

I meant to add that when buyers can only put steers on an order, that takes bidders out of the equation. Where you might have 4 or 5 buyers bidding on steer cattle, only 1 or 2 may have an order that calls for "steer or bulls". I have seen some of these steer only orders on as little as 450 lb cattle.
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Re: Selling bulls compared to steers.

Postby bird dog » Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:35 am

I watched a bunch of the sale last week at OKC and the bulls were pretty steady at a 15 cent/lb discount versus steers. I band my calves at about 250 lb and also give them a Ralgro implant. The group I sold last week was also given an implant at weaning and were put on pasture with and fed 5 or so lbs a day per head of creep feed. They performed very well after weaning gaining about 2 1/2 lbs per day on average.
As mentioned, they have to have something good to eat for the implant to work correctly. If you implant and just put them on poor pasture or poor hay, you will probably be disappointed.
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Re: Selling bulls compared to steers.

Postby farmerjan » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:18 am

Have spent quite a bit of time at the sale yard in the past few weeks. We hit a great week about 3 weeks ago and got $1.80 for some 425lb steers. Took about 16 steers and a few small mediocre heifers off a group of cows. All the steers were in the 4-5 wts and none were less than 1.69. The following week took another group of about 10 and the prices were about $.15 less per lb. for all sizes. Prices continue to soften a bit and will stay this way until Late August if the normal trends hold. In all sizes, the bulls were anywhere from $.10 to $.40 LESS per lb. than steers. There are 2 or 3 buyers that will pick up the bulls, and one told me that he will cut em and run them to about 8-9 wts and then sell in the graded sales. He said right out that he has to pay $.15 minimum less than steers to make it figure for him. Another buyer we have known a long time has often told us NOT to sell them as bulls, that we are losing too much money now that the crazy high prices of a couple of years ago are over with.
We seldom will sell as bulls, although we did some when prices were way up there. Not now. Anything over 6 wts you really get hit here if they are bulls.

Picked up 5 cow/calf pairs for an average 1,000 a pair. 4 had bull calves and we worked them as soon as we got them in. One had 2 heifer calves, they think they were twins but not totally sure. Cow seemed to be talking to them so will keep her close to see. Calves in the 200 lb range so not new babies but up and going. Checked the cows mouths, got one old cow, 2 older mature and 2 that were in the 4-6 year old range. All were in real good flesh, and calves looked good. One calf had some runny looking eyes so treated it and will watch it for a few days to make sure it clears up before they go to pasture with the bull. Cows all weighed in the 11-1200 range. There were also about 25 purebred angus but no papers that brought in the 1900 to 2200 range. All had calves but too much for my taste. Farm was selling out. The ones I got were not from there, but it doesn't matter, I can make these pencil out if they all raise their calves. Will probably not breed the one old cow back, but the others will hopefully go out with a bull in a week or so. Nice thing is they are all pretty quiet to work around and that is saying alot after being poked and prodded and pushed around at the sale. We have shipped nearly a dozen cows that come up open from the last 2 preg checks and all but 3 had no teeth. So it was time. Have 15 heifers out with the bull but am always looking for some that will have a calf to sell sooner when we cull a group.
May sit on the rest of the calves from the late nov-dec calving group for awhile. Mostly heifers, we are running 70% or more of heifers for both fall 2016 and spring 2017. But better a live heifer than a dead bull.....
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Re: Selling bulls compared to steers.

Postby Dave » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:57 pm

There is not much difference here on 400 pound calves. But nobody raises/sells 400 pounders here. Less than 10% of the calves at the sale will be in the 4 weight size. That 500 pounds there is about 15 cents difference. At 600 it goes up to 20-25 cents. At 700 it can be as much as 60 cents.
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