Sale Barn sales

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Re: Sale Barn sales

Postby Bigfoot » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:49 pm

BC wrote:I try to avoid selling in October. One calf buyer called it "National Dead Calf Month". I asked why. Hot days and cool nights increased upper respiratory infections. He said when there was a 30 degree or more spread between day time temperatures and night time temperatures cattle got sick more. They figure the extra death loss in their bids.


I see more in August
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Re: Sale Barn sales

Postby BrandX » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:50 am

so the thought is if you have the grass run the claves longer and grow them for a few extra dollars. but wouldn't it make more sense to sell them at the smaller size and just run more animals. I would rather sell two $600 calves than one $800 calf. what are your thoughts?
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Postby Stocker Steve » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:13 am

BrandX wrote:so the thought is if you have the grass run the claves longer and grow them for a few extra dollars. but wouldn't it make more sense to sell them at the smaller size and just run more animals.


Depends on your feed and your cows and your accounting and your set up.
If you are land limited you need to look at it per acre NOT per head.
I have over improved pastures (for cows), half blood sim angus bulls, feed bunks, and long winters.
So back grounding calves is more profitable for me than more cows unless the market is crashing.
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Re: Sale Barn sales

Postby Rafter S » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:36 am

BrandX wrote:so the thought is if you have the grass run the claves longer and grow them for a few extra dollars. but wouldn't it make more sense to sell them at the smaller size and just run more animals. I would rather sell two $600 calves than one $800 calf. what are your thoughts?


It's not quite that simple. You need twice as many cows to get those two $600 dollar calves.
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Re: Sale Barn sales

Postby BrandX » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:50 am

ok so here in Oklahoma with unimproved pasture if you can run 1 animal unit per 6 acres you could run 26.6 animal units per 160 acre quarter section. for the sake of calculations we will assume A.I. so there is no bull. just cows and calves. most people would run 18 mamas and 18 calves which would equal 27 animal units. one poster said there was a 50 difference in weight classes and I think bigfoot said about 160 so lets split the difference and call it $110. 18 calves sold for 710 a piece = 12,780. now what if you ran 24 mama cows and sold 24 small calves at 600 a piece = 14400? my only point is to say that its not fair to say that the grass is just wasted if you don't run calves on it LONGER. you can just run more calves and achieve some results also.

disclaimer: this is just fictious for fun discussion and real life is not easy or fair. I promises everybody results will vary!!
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Re: Sale Barn sales

Postby Rafter S » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:03 pm

...and how much money do you have tied up in the 6 additional cows to get that extra $1620.00?
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Re: Sale Barn sales

Postby Son of Butch » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:20 pm

Assuming 1,000 lb cow with carrying cost of $395 yr to produce $600 calf
and 1,500 lb cow with carrying cost of $500 yr to produce $800 calf

1,000 x 72 cows = 72,000 lbs per pasture
1,500 x 48 cows = 72,000 lbs per pasture

72 x 600 = $43,200 calf sales
72 x 395 = $28,440 carrying cost
43,200 - 28,440 = $14,760 income

48 x 800 = 38,400 calf sales
48 x 500 = 24,000 carrying cost
38,400 - 24,000 = $14,400

14,760 - 14,400 = 360 divided by 72 = 5

$5 advantage for 1,000 lb cow x 72 cows = $360 per year
Almost doesn't seem worth arguing about or does it?

It really depends on your cost to carry a cow and calf prices, but under 100 cows it doesn't seem to add up to much
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Re: Sale Barn sales

Postby Son of Butch » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:28 pm

BrandX wrote:disclaimer: this is just fictitious for fun discussion and real life is not easy or fair. I promise everybody results will vary!

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Re: Sale Barn sales

Postby Stocker Steve » Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:05 pm

Son of Butch wrote: It really depends on your cost to carry a cow and calf prices, but under 100 cows it doesn't seem to add up to much


I think we started with whether the $/head difference pays to back ground calves.
Then we switched to $/acre.
Then we assumed the back grounded calves stayed on pasture.
Then we assume the cows were different sizes.
I am so confused :help:
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Re: Sale Barn sales

Postby ClinchValley » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:17 am

Me three.
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Re: Sale Barn sales

Postby BrandX » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:37 am

WHAT IS SO CONFUSING? THE ORIGINAL POSTERS WERE COMMENTING ON WHATS THE POINT OF SELLING BIGGER CALVES FOR WHAT SEEMS LIKE VERY LITTLE RETURN (I.E.$50). THE CONVERSATION TURNED TO OTHER WAYS TO TRY AND CAPTURE MORE VALUE FROM THIER EFFORTS. I AM SURE SOME OF THE ORIGINAL POSTERS WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR VEIW POINTS SO PLEASE POST HOW YOU ARE DOING IT
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Re: Sale Barn sales

Postby BrandX » Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:58 am

ALTERNITIVLY WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO TAKE SOME OF THE GROUND OUT OF PASTURE AND AND USE IT FOR HAY OR RENT IT OUT?
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Re: Sale Barn sales

Postby Stocker Steve » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:33 am

Hay is simple, but you are removing minerals and production is not sustainable.

Highest grazing return and highest risk is usually with lighter younger animals (that allow you to run more head on the same acreage). But, cattle can be complicated and you need some marketing skills to really make much $$$.

With marginal row crop ground - - going (back) to a long grain/forage rotation seems like the best way to build fertility and still make a profit. Most producers have specialized in one or two crops and that is not working well right now.
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