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Re: Paris sale barns

Postby Workinonit Farm » Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:51 pm

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cowgirl8 wrote:What I am working to do is sell straight off the ranch. Weigh truck before,weigh truck loaded. Get handed a check.

Ok here's the good thing about these boards. You and even someone not posting at all, just reading, can learn something valuable.
I don't mean this a a put down or a insult but with what you have said in this thread you don't know enough to be selling off the ranch. Listen to what the others have said.
Get your calves off mama, get their shots and nuts off if they have them, lute the heifers, save the lot numbers of the vaccine, you'll need them later.
Keep a minimum of 60 days and 120 will make you more money, feed a good feed and get the weight on them and don't worry about fleshy, they will discount if they aren't. Decide which company you want to use, load up Saturday morning and ship. Send the paper with the vaccines they have had.
Try to send 8 and 9wt calves. They go right to the feedlot.
If you can be there Monday for the sale. They like to meet who they are working for and you'll be setting in the stands with the guys bidding on your cattle. You can answer questions.
Also if they have a healed brand they bring more. They know you had them at least 120 days.
I haven't been branding and didn't know that but I do so I'm going to start.
The reason your calves will gain back the shrink is because of the way they are handled and the feed they have. It's a feed that even a calf that's never had feed will go right to.
The last 4 pots that went in April lost 1 pound per calf. I feel that's pretty dang good. I'm a 7 hour ride.
I shipped a pot two weeks ago but my scales are out so I couldn't weigh them. Those calves were bought in April and made 10% on my money after expenses.
There's a lot of knowlage on these boards. Use it, don't shrug it off as someone not knowing what they are talking about.


Excellent post! :clap: :clap:

Thank you for taking the time, and putting a well thought out and typed out post.
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Re: Paris sale barns

Postby ddd75 » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:10 pm

jed,

thanks for the post, really good info for all.

if you don't mind sharing.. what were the weights of those calves when you bought and when you sold?

Did you have someone else buy them?
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Re: Paris sale barns

Postby Bright Raven » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:18 pm

Workinonit Farm wrote:
jedstivers wrote:
cowgirl8 wrote:What I am working to do is sell straight off the ranch. Weigh truck before,weigh truck loaded. Get handed a check.

Ok here's the good thing about these boards. You and even someone not posting at all, just reading, can learn something valuable.
I don't mean this a a put down or a insult but with what you have said in this thread you don't know enough to be selling off the ranch. Listen to what the others have said.
Get your calves off mama, get their shots and nuts off if they have them, lute the heifers, save the lot numbers of the vaccine, you'll need them later.
Keep a minimum of 60 days and 120 will make you more money, feed a good feed and get the weight on them and don't worry about fleshy, they will discount if they aren't. Decide which company you want to use, load up Saturday morning and ship. Send the paper with the vaccines they have had.
Try to send 8 and 9wt calves. They go right to the feedlot.
If you can be there Monday for the sale. They like to meet who they are working for and you'll be setting in the stands with the guys bidding on your cattle. You can answer questions.
Also if they have a healed brand they bring more. They know you had them at least 120 days.
I haven't been branding and didn't know that but I do so I'm going to start.
The reason your calves will gain back the shrink is because of the way they are handled and the feed they have. It's a feed that even a calf that's never had feed will go right to.
The last 4 pots that went in April lost 1 pound per calf. I feel that's pretty dang good. I'm a 7 hour ride.
I shipped a pot two weeks ago but my scales are out so I couldn't weigh them. Those calves were bought in April and made 10% on my money after expenses.
There's a lot of knowlage on these boards. Use it, don't shrug it off as someone not knowing what they are talking about.


Excellent post! :clap: :clap:

Thank you for taking the time, and putting a well thought out and typed out post.


+1. I enjoyed Jed's post.
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Re: Paris sale barns

Postby jedstivers » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:41 pm

cowgirl8 wrote:My daughter sold off her place a couple years back. A math error kind of spooked us from doing it again. But everything worked out and I think that's probably the route we'll go. Just set up a buyer and sell right off the ranch makes the most sense. How could anyone argue with that?
The theory of the % of weight gained back in a couple days spent at the OKC yards, would go for any sale barn around. Just take the a few days ahead..No long haul, just drop them off Thursday for a Sat. sale...Cut off over 5 hours spent in the trailer before getting to OKC, you'd be better off right? Might even gain some weight if the calculations yall are saying are right. I'm guessing the calves don't just gain better because they are in OKC...
ANd to answer why 1500 would not be enough for us to haul a load to OKC is because if anything goes wrong, you're no better off than if you just went to one close by. For us it would be over 10 hours on the road....a flat, wreck, dead calf...anything can happen. 1500 goes pretty fast in a minor disaster and you're back in the same boat you would have been except all that driving...Now, if I was told that if we hauled to Sulphur Springs instead of Paris and we'd gain 1500....i'd be on that like white on rice....
I'm sure not telling anyone they don't know what they are talking about. I look at everything from every angle. Not one thing works for everyone. Whatever works for you, do it and be proud..... Most ranchers out where we are sell at the sale barn. I'm pretty sure that if that was not the most logical way to sell out here, it would be done some other way. But I see a lot of wasted cash there at all sale barns, with commissions to crap buyers on some days. As I said, I want to cut out as many middle men as I can...

You have no reading comprehension what so ever. Your not only not on the same page as what we are talking about your not even in the same book.
Atleast someone else might gane some knowledge that will help them.
Go back and reread what Texas pawpa wrote.
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Re: Paris sale barns

Postby Craig Miller » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:05 pm

jedstivers wrote:You have no reading comprehension what so ever. Your not only not on the same page as what we are talking about your not even in the same book.
Atleast someone else might gane some knowledge that will help them.
Go back and reread what Texas pawpa wrote.
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I appreciate you educating me on this. I've never even heard on them. So do they pay you or do they haul to a sale barn and then your paid?
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Re: Paris sale barns

Postby Dave » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:12 pm

Craig Miller wrote:
jedstivers wrote:You have no reading comprehension what so ever. Your not only not on the same page as what we are talking about your not even in the same book.
Atleast someone else might gane some knowledge that will help them.
Go back and reread what Texas pawpa wrote.
Undambelievable


I appreciate you educating me on this. I've never even heard on them. So do they pay you or do they haul to a sale barn and then your paid?


I liked learning about OKC too. I am way too far away to take advantage of it but is good information. Superior has worked well for me the last four years.
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Re: Paris sale barns

Postby jedstivers » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:16 pm

Craig Miller wrote:
jedstivers wrote:You have no reading comprehension what so ever. Your not only not on the same page as what we are talking about your not even in the same book.
Atleast someone else might gane some knowledge that will help them.
Go back and reread what Texas pawpa wrote.
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I appreciate you educating me on this. I've never even heard on them. So do they pay you or do they haul to a sale barn and then your paid?

We load the truck here and they go to Oklohoma National Stockyards. They unload to the commission company you tell them to. The truck I like is set up where the commission co pays the freight then they hold it out of the check.
Once the cattle sale the commission co cuts me a check or wires it to my bank acct. for 15 dollars.
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Re: Paris sale barns

Postby bird dog » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:22 pm

It all comes down to scales. Folks that don't use them cannot believe it when you tell them how much their calves lose. Its embedded in their system that 3% is the norm and it won't go much over that. It doesn't faze them to give the buyer some set amount for shrink, Is this fair, not in my opinion. Even that big weaned calf sale that they have at Sulphur Springs that that everyone says is the best deal going gives the buyer a 2% pencil shrink. Good lord why are they doing that? I think Superior gives the buyer a shrink. Why? He should have that figured in the price he is bidding in my opinion. Buyers know that its a ripoff but folks give it away because they don't want to say no. Sell off the farm, the buyer will ask for 2% in most cases.

So add it up. Gathering penning and loading you lose 2%. Hauling to the truck scales, another 1%. Buyers pencil shrink 2%. 5% total. So you gave away 30 lbs on a 600 lb calf x $1.40 equals $42 a head x 80 calf pot load and your out $3360. The calf gets to the feed lot, eats some receiving ration, drinks 3 gallons of water and presto, he weighs 600 lbs again. Not for me folks. I'll go where some of the advantage goes to the seller. OKC is the most fair to both parties that I have seen.
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Re: Paris sale barns

Postby jedstivers » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:28 pm

bird dog wrote:It all comes down to scales. Folks that don't use them cannot believe it when you tell them how much their calves lose. Its embedded in their system that 3% is the norm and it won't go much over that. It doesn't faze them to give the buyer some set amount for shrink, Is this fair, not in my opinion. Even that big weaned calf sale that they have at Sulphur Springs that that everyone says is the best deal going gives the buyer a 2% pencil shrink. Good lord why are they doing that? I think Superior gives the buyer a shrink. Why? He should have that figured in the price he is bidding in my opinion. Buyers know that its a ripoff but folks give it away because they don't want to say no. Sell off the farm, the buyer will ask for 2% in most cases.

So add it up. Gathering penning and loading you lose 2%. Hauling to the truck scales, another 1%. Buyers pencil shrink 2%. 5% total. So you gave away 30 lbs on a 600 lb calf x $1.40 equals $42 a head x 80 calf pot load and your out $3360. The calf gets to the feed lot, eats some receiving ration, drinks 3 gallons of water and presto, he weighs 600 lbs again. Not for me folks. I'll go where some of the advantage goes to the seller. OKC is the most fair to both parties that I have seen.

Thank goodness someone can work a pencile and understand basic math.
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Re: Paris sale barns

Postby kenny thomas » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:31 pm

Craig Miller wrote:
jedstivers wrote:You have no reading comprehension what so ever. Your not only not on the same page as what we are talking about your not even in the same book.
Atleast someone else might gane some knowledge that will help them.
Go back and reread what Texas pawpa wrote.
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I appreciate you educating me on this. I've never even heard on them. So do they pay you or do they haul to a sale barn and then your paid?

I will jump in till Jed gets back. The calves are delivered to OKC stockyard just like any other sales yard. The commission company takes care of the cattle in all aspects including the sale of the calves. Then the commission company writes you the check.
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Re: Paris sale barns

Postby Red Bull Breeder » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:56 pm

Folks you just can't fix stupid.
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Postby Dave » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:23 pm

bird dog wrote:It all comes down to scales. Folks that don't use them cannot believe it when you tell them how much their calves lose. Its embedded in their system that 3% is the norm and it won't go much over that. It doesn't faze them to give the buyer some set amount for shrink, Is this fair, not in my opinion. Even that big weaned calf sale that they have at Sulphur Springs that that everyone says is the best deal going gives the buyer a 2% pencil shrink. Good lord why are they doing that? I think Superior gives the buyer a shrink. Why? He should have that figured in the price he is bidding in my opinion. Buyers know that its a ripoff but folks give it away because they don't want to say no. Sell off the farm, the buyer will ask for 2% in most cases.

So add it up. Gathering penning and loading you lose 2%. Hauling to the truck scales, another 1%. Buyers pencil shrink 2%. 5% total. So you gave away 30 lbs on a 600 lb calf x $1.40 equals $42 a head x 80 calf pot load and your out $3360. The calf gets to the feed lot, eats some receiving ration, drinks 3 gallons of water and presto, he weighs 600 lbs again. Not for me folks. I'll go where some of the advantage goes to the seller. OKC is the most fair to both parties that I have seen.


Superior doesn't set the shrink, the seller does.
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Re: Paris sale barns

Postby greybeard » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:34 pm

I've been to the Paris sale barn if it's the one on 82 between Blossom and Paris. It's a lot like the ones I've used at Livingston, Raywood, and Navasota. A few wooden feed troughs and 2-3 round bales of hay in the big holding pen, just enough to keep them kinda calm but hungry enough to want to go thru a gate as soon as it's opened. Sulphur Springs does a better job feeding but they don't hold a candle to all the metal self feeders I saw OKC when I toured the place about 3 years ago. (I went up there for a car show) The pigeons steal more feed at OKC than all those little sale barns combined will feed. That place is huge.
This is just a small part of the place and the reason for small shrink:
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Re: Paris sale barns

Postby cowgirl8 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:13 am

Craig Miller wrote:Cg I have an uncle that sells straight off his farm about 150 calves a year. They bring the trucks out and load them at his place and he gets paid an agreed price. That's about all I know about it. Have you looked in to that before? If he can do it here in alabama surely you can there in texas.

My daughter did it once. And I cant believe anyone would argue our choice if this is what we do...lol... How can hauling to a sale barn 5 hours away be better than loading a pot load into a truck directly out of our pens?
Jed, I believe I've explained once before. First, all our calves have been castrated vaccinated long ago,, We could keep calves 120 days, but there are a few things to factor in. You need a facility to keep that many calves we don't have. You'd need a barn, a big one, we don't have that. We usually wean in Oct to Nov....that's when fall sets in and winter is at our backdoor. Its like someone is watching with their hand on a switch when we wean, they flip that switch and it starts raining cold rain. Now, I have calves standing around in cold mud. We could build a 100,000 dollar barn to house these calves(actually would probably cost more). We could spend those 120 days caring for these animals. We'll hope we don't lose any, each one lost is $ off you gain. You few who have small herds have said you'd do this if you had a bigger operation, so, you've never done it. We do wean and keep 20 to 60 heifers a year. That's about all the work I want after weaning...
Or we can in a short time, sell these calves off our place with no loss of weight. And those 120 days we can relax, go on vacation.......lol..........hum.....You can handle all businesses in all different ways. You can make it harder or easier, you can make more money at anything. I will check into OKC a little more. I'm going to ask around and see if any of the big operations around here ship there. Just because i'm not patting the few of you on the backs is not because i'm not listening so chill....
But I do have to question why a calf at one sale barn wont gain back like at OKC.....Have all of you been to every barn to inspect how they hold the calves? If I have a barn near me feeds exactly like OKC, wouldn't it make more sense to haul there instead? And I have to question why buyers will pay more for a calf full of feed. If you know you're calf is getting fattened up, you know the buyers know it too. I'd sure dock a calf if I knew he had 10 pounds of feed in him when I could go down the road and get a calf whos a little lighter before he stuffs himself....you cant fault me for questioning that. Yall are the ones who've argued telling me I get docked for banding a calf because the buyers can tell...
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Postby Red Bull Breeder » Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:28 am

CG8 your reading comprehension is lacking.
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