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Re: Marketing

Postby Cross-7 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:31 pm

ddd75 wrote:do you really think you got that ripped off on a set of untagged, unweaned, unvaccinated calves ?

What kind of cattle are they?


They all had two rounds of Calvary 9.
Steers were 718# heifers were 655# they were still on the cow but they weren't nursing much if at all.
Steers were either black or red except one black baldie
Heifers were red or black and 3 red motts.
Out of Red angus cows.
Half were bought as pairs bred back to a Hereford bull.
The WF may have hurt them some but there was only 4 WF in the whole group so I doubt that was much of a factor.
All nice calves, not a single dink.
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Re: Marketing

Postby bird dog » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:10 pm

Another reason to sell at OKC. While a group all the same color will do better, the discount for having a few off color is not nearly as much. BTW my loads to OKC are 13000 lbs and I haul them 5 hours and believe its worth it. The key is having your healthy calves eating well to eliminate the shrink. Saving that 5% shrink on 13000 lbs is 650 lbs. Multiply that x $1.50 and your freight is easily paid for.
Be honest with your commission company man on what you got and build up a reputation. Even if they are unweaned bawlers, let them know. Watch the sale and see how they announce some of them and that will give you some ideas on what to tell them.
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Re: Marketing

Postby Cross-7 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:39 pm

I'm working on an area to wean calves.
I'll wean, two rounds of respiratory vac and graze on winter wheat.
I figure they'll be 900# after the first of the year.
Heifers that heavy may be a problem though, so I may have to sell them earlier.

I talked to my neighbor and he has a similar program but his numbers are big enough he works with a broker that sells them for him.
He sets his price and holds them till they are sold.
They come get them and never goes to a sale barn.
He's been doing it for years and he has people wanting his calves each year.

I don't have enough to do that so I'm stuck with the sale barn unless I get more grass.
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Re: Marketing

Postby ddd75 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:55 pm

Cross-7 wrote:
ddd75 wrote:do you really think you got that ripped off on a set of untagged, unweaned, unvaccinated calves ?

What kind of cattle are they?


They all had two rounds of Calvary 9.
Steers were 718# heifers were 655# they were still on the cow but they weren't nursing much if at all.
Steers were either black or red except one black baldie
Heifers were red or black and 3 red motts.
Out of Red angus cows.
Half were bought as pairs bred back to a Hereford bull.
The WF may have hurt them some but there was only 4 WF in the whole group so I doubt that was much of a factor.
All nice calves, not a single dink.


So they still weren't weaned and weren't vaccinated correctly.. (no BRD vaccines or pasturella ) no tags.. and mostly red. So you want the buyers to pay TOP dollar on your cattle when someone else shows up with bunk trained, weaned, healthy, vaccinated cattle all a consistent color.. You want the same as him?

come on man.. #1 7 wt steers last week went for 140 - 149 here. I think you did pretty good for what you did.. No one ripped you off, no one 'got you' .. no one didn't bid because the other guy yelled at him...

not trying to be a D1ck but I think they did you right for what you took in.
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Re: Marketing

Postby Cross-7 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:03 pm

Next years calves will be out of my bull and all black, weaned, all vac's and dang sure at a different barn
They were good calves
Probably more red's than black but the discount for not being black shouldn't be that steep.
I wish I had pictures, they were good calves, better than a lot that came through that day.

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Re: Marketing

Postby farmerjan » Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:45 pm

Cross you said your neighbor has a similiar program but more numbers. Can't his buyer get together with you to make a bigger load or match yours to some others he might be handling? There are some graded feeder sales here where the calves are required to have certain vacs and weaning protocol; and the calves of similiar size/frame/grade get put together in a pen. I have sent some over the years, but when you pay the higher commission, and yardage and membership fees to the association; I didn't see where I was making any more money than just taking my calves here local. And Yes, I did the math on them the half dozen times I've done it over the years. All the talk about getting $30 to 75 more per head is fine til you start to take the inputs off and maybe it came out to $5-6 per head. That isn't taking into effect the longer hauling distance and time and fuel to get them there. I am sure there are others who insist it is worth it and to them maybe it is. But for us, it just doesn't pencil out. We have a reputation at the yard for our cattle, and people know them and we do good enough to justify it the way we are doing it. Granted, there are the few that don't do like we expect; the latest cull cow being one of them. BUT as a general rule, we have found what is working for us. I don't like the latest prices, but it's not just our cattle, it is the market in general.

If there was a market that was consistently bringing $.30-.50 a lb. more and it was a couple hours drive, we would probably try it. But there is seldom more than a $.10 to .15 difference so it is not justified for us. I have even tried to market some of my jersey x calves at the dairy feeder sales. They haven't done any better even when there are buyers who deal in dairy feeders so just stopped doing it. I can make most of them into beef anyway. And the few that I don't have a sale for; will bring in the same range here local as they do at the sale closer to more dairy farms.... so save the time and fuel. Luckily I can find outlets and will try a few more direct sales again if I get too many. I just get tired of dealing with the public and them wanting them, then not having the money or changing their mind or wanting you to take part payment and then they will pay you along. NOPE, been there, got the burns from it, not doing it again.

But we do try to keep an open mind and listen to any new sale ideas. I am BQA certified, but don't go that route anymore due to the lack of difference in prices for all the work.
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Re: Marketing

Postby farmerjan » Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:52 pm

Cross-7 wrote:Next years calves will be out of my bull and all black, weaned, all vac's and dang sure at a different barn
They were good calves
Probably more red's than black but the discount for not being black shouldn't be that steep.
I wish I had pictures, they were good calves, better than a lot that came through that day.

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The discount for reds here is anywhere from $.15 to .40 a lb and for good calves. The only color they want to see here is black unless they are heavy - like 8-9 wts. Then the color doesn't seem to hurt them as much although it will hurt some.
Smokies will do better than reds...BWF do good like blacks. Any off color, like spotted & roans, and herefords really get killed. And if they have any "ear"... god bless...... I like the ear cattle but we don't have any. No reason to raise a calf that would bring $400. when the others are bringing $600.
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Re: Marketing

Postby ddd75 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:11 am

Cross-7 wrote:Next years calves will be out of my bull and all black, weaned, all vac's and dang sure at a different barn
They were good calves
Probably more red's than black but the discount for not being black shouldn't be that steep.
I wish I had pictures, they were good calves, better than a lot that came through that day.

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i'm sure they were excellent calves. But the buyer is taking a chance on buying them, as they may develop shipping fever and be costly to treat, or even die.

good luck next year. :cboy:
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