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Bred cow sale

Postby Dave » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:45 pm

I just came home from a big bred cow sale. They had about 1,800 head. That included 600 or so bred heifers. There was one lot of 20 or so heifers that brought $1,500. The rest sold for less. Name brand as good as walks heifers, weighing 1,100-1,200 pounds, AI bred, pelvic measured, and preg checked to a short calving window sold for $1,450. Hundreds of them. There was a pen of about 30 1,180 pound pure bred Angus heifers (register eligible and calves in them eligible to register) sold for $1,325. Heifers at or under 1,000 pounds brought a couple hundred less. Any pregged to calf after mid April sold for just a touch over kill price. The highest selling bunch I saw were black 3 year olds. There was 104 of them. They sold for $1,600. One buyer took them all. Very few order buyers in attendance. It was almost entirely ranchers. They probably still had a thousand to sell when I left. They had sold all the large groups of heifers and a couple dispersal's. The 9 year old and older cows in the dispersal sold for one bid over kill price.
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Re: Bred cow sale

Postby RanchMan90 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:59 pm

Time to buy?
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Re: Bred cow sale

Postby Dave » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:37 pm

RanchMan90 wrote:Time to buy?


I left the sale about 2 1/2 hours ago. I think about now you could buy every cow that walks into the ring for one bid over kill price. Trouble is I sold the old place and haven't found a new one yet. I could buy them but I have no place to go with them.
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Re: Bred cow sale

Postby Dave » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:44 pm

Got to thinking the sale is still going on. It is on Cattle USA. The Toppenish WA sale. Just watched 6 mid age black cows weighing 1560 sell for $925. That is a little under 60 cents. Good bred cows for one bid over kill price.
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Re: Bred cow sale

Postby ddd75 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:13 am

wow, sounds like some good deals especially on the registered ones.
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Re: Bred cow sale

Postby Stocker Steve » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:30 pm

RanchMan90 wrote:Time to buy?


Not yet.
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Re: Bred cow sale

Postby Stocker Steve » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:38 pm

First Bred Cow Sale:
> 1,000 # red heifers - - U$S 1550 to 1650
black 2nd calvers - - $1510 to 1575
> 1,000 # black heifers - - $1250 to 1400
mixed BM cows - - $ 835 average
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Re: Bred cow sale

Postby Stocker Steve » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:43 pm

Dave wrote:Name brand as good as walks heifers, weighing 1,100-1,200 pounds, AI bred, pelvic measured, and preg checked to a short calving window sold for $1,450. Hundreds of them.


I can not pencil a profit on that kind unless:
you have free grass and free hay (some do but I don't)
or you think you can resell them for more $$$ in a year or two (sounds like gambling)

What am I missing?
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Re: Bred cow sale

Postby Dave » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:33 pm

Stocker Steve wrote:
Dave wrote:Name brand as good as walks heifers, weighing 1,100-1,200 pounds, AI bred, pelvic measured, and preg checked to a short calving window sold for $1,450. Hundreds of them.


I can not pencil a profit on that kind unless:
you have free grass and free hay (some do but I don't)
or you think you can resell them for more $$$ in a year or two (sounds like gambling)

What am I missing?


I sure know that I can't raise them for that. The people I saw buying them were ranchers who run 100's of cows. They were buying them as replacement heifers that they bought for less than they can raise them for. To me the ones that I could sure pencil were the "blue tag" cows. Ones that mouthed 9, 10, & 11 years old. Lots of good thick cows that have a few years left in them for one bid over kill price. They were a better deal than the broken mouth cows. The same price but younger and healthier.
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Re: Bred cow sale

Postby M.Magis » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:12 pm

The two sales I’ve been in the last two weeks, $1600 was the lowest anything sold for. Commercial cows/heifers probably averaged around $2000, thats not counting the show cattle that went from $3000-$8000.
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Re: Bred cow sale

Postby Stocker Steve » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:45 pm

Dave wrote:I sure know that I can't raise them for that. The people I saw buying them were ranchers who run 100's of cows. They were buying them as replacement heifers that they bought for less than they can raise them for.


Black heifer calves were $600 here last fall, and now they are worth $850 more as breds.
I can carry a yearling for a lot less that $850 per year. :nod:
Some years it pays to raise replacements, some years it does not. Don't look at the fully burdened average.
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Re: Bred cow sale

Postby Stocker Steve » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:50 pm

Dave wrote:To me the ones that I could sure pencil were the "blue tag" cows. Ones that mouthed 9, 10, & 11 years old. Lots of good thick cows that have a few years left in them for one bid over kill price. They were a better deal than the broken mouth cows. The same price but younger and healthier.


I agree totally.
The thing that confused me recently was that I a bought a bunch of BM cows several years ago, and resold some of them this fall as breds. About half sold as solid mouth... :?
Does that make me a magical cow man?
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Re: Bred cow sale

Postby J&D Cattle » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:16 am

Dave wrote:I sure know that I can't raise them for that. The people I saw buying them were ranchers who run 100's of cows. They were buying them as replacement heifers that they bought for less than they can raise them for. To me the ones that I could sure pencil were the "blue tag" cows. Ones that mouthed 9, 10, & 11 years old. Lots of good thick cows that have a few years left in them for one bid over kill price. They were a better deal than the broken mouth cows. The same price but younger and healthier.


I assume a blue tag here is the same as out West, 1st period? They quit aging cows at 7 here and go to short solid, broken mouth, and then an "O" for old. We bought some "O"'s last year and did well on them. We will keep 15 out of the 21 and raise one more calf. I'm looking for some SS or BM 2nd or 3rd period cows before the year ends. I'm hoping for the one bid over kill as well.
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Re: Bred cow sale

Postby J&D Cattle » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:18 am

Stocker Steve wrote:
Dave wrote:To me the ones that I could sure pencil were the "blue tag" cows. Ones that mouthed 9, 10, & 11 years old. Lots of good thick cows that have a few years left in them for one bid over kill price. They were a better deal than the broken mouth cows. The same price but younger and healthier.


I agree totally.
The thing that confused me recently was that I a bought a bunch of BM cows several years ago, and resold some of them this fall as breds. About half sold as solid mouth... :?
Does that make me a magical cow man?


Different salebarn or just a different guy mouthing them?
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Re: Bred cow sale

Postby Dave » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:53 am

J&D Cattle wrote:
Dave wrote:I sure know that I can't raise them for that. The people I saw buying them were ranchers who run 100's of cows. They were buying them as replacement heifers that they bought for less than they can raise them for. To me the ones that I could sure pencil were the "blue tag" cows. Ones that mouthed 9, 10, & 11 years old. Lots of good thick cows that have a few years left in them for one bid over kill price. They were a better deal than the broken mouth cows. The same price but younger and healthier.


I assume a blue tag here is the same as out West, 1st period? They quit aging cows at 7 here and go to short solid, broken mouth, and then an "O" for old. We bought some "O"'s last year and did well on them. We will keep 15 out of the 21 and raise one more calf. I'm looking for some SS or BM 2nd or 3rd period cows before the year ends. I'm hoping for the one bid over kill as well.


At that sale they have a system of ear tags. The color of the tag and the ear it is in denotes age and when they are calving. There is a board up above the auctioneer that lists what it all means. The vast vast majority calf in what they refer to as "the window". That is calving between February 1 and April 15. For instance heifers calving on time are pink. Ones calving late (May - June) are purple. The blue tags are 9-11 year old that are calving in the window. Later into the sale they didn't even mess with trying to sell the late calvers by the head, they just sold by the pound to the kill buyers.
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