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Postby Shorthorn » Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:30 pm

Do you use your show bull to breed ? Or keep him a virgin bull during show age?
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Re: Show Bull

Postby Fire Sweep Ranch » Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:53 pm

We have used our our bulls to breed while showing. But it all depends on the temperament of the bull. Once they know what their job is, some take it seriously and are a little more difficult to handle when around a heifer in heat. At a show, that is NOT a good thing :o
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Re: Show Bull

Postby branguscowgirl » Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:02 pm

I have. Like FSR mentioned, it can change some of them. Depends some on how solid they are with their training. If they have a good disposition and are very respectful, they can do ok with it.
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Re: Show Bull

Postby Shorthorn » Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:24 pm

Thank you. We have a heifer we are having a hard time getting bred. I was not sure if it was a good idea to use our show bull to breed her. He "so far" is very well behaved. My 13 year old son is showing the bull I did not want to ruin his "show" behavior.
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Re: Show Bull

Postby shortybreeder » Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:37 pm

If you had a bull you wanted to take to Denver (NWSS) or NAILE, would that influence your decision? If he's good enough for that then is it worth the risk of him changing? I have an embryo due April 25 that I don't know the gender of, so if it turns out to be a bull I may add some questions to this conveniently titled thread......
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Re: Show Bull

Postby branguscowgirl » Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:49 pm

I certainly see a lot of bulls in the show ring with calves on the ground. They are going to have the same Testosterone and drive to breed whether they "are virgins" or not.
However when you are fitting a bull and showing him, you are not going to want him out running off weight and risk getting injured.
If he is THAT good, (and you are worried about it) why not just collect him and AI your cows?
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Re: Show Bull

Postby shortybreeder » Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:08 pm

branguscowgirl wrote:I certainly see a lot of bulls in the show ring with calves on the ground. They are going to have the same Testosterone and drive to breed whether they "are virgins" or not.
However when you are fitting a bull and showing him, you are not going to want him out running off weight and risk getting injured.
If he is THAT good, (and you are worried about it) why not just collect him and AI your cows?

That's a good point. I'm just getting antsy, and it's gonna be a long 3 months before the embryo is due :D The embryo is a full sibling to the 2011 NWSS Reserve Champion ShorthornPlus Female, so obviously I am hoping for a heifer calf, but when you want a heifer you usually end up with a bull calf, and I'd rather take a bull around to various shows than cut him and campaign a steer. I will probably take him to a few "prospect steer" shows when he is a calf, as long as they don't require male calves to be castrated :roll:
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Re: Show Bull

Postby branguscowgirl » Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:17 pm

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branguscowgirl wrote:I certainly see a lot of bulls in the show ring with calves on the ground. They are going to have the same Testosterone and drive to breed whether they "are virgins" or not.
However when you are fitting a bull and showing him, you are not going to want him out running off weight and risk getting injured.
If he is THAT good, (and you are worried about it) why not just collect him and AI your cows?

That's a good point. I'm just getting antsy, and it's gonna be a long 3 months before the embryo is due :D The embryo is a full sibling to the 2011 NWSS Reserve Champion ShorthornPlus Female, so obviously I am hoping for a heifer calf, but when you want a heifer you usually end up with a bull calf, and I'd rather take a bull around to various shows than cut him and campaign a steer. I will probably take him to a few "prospect steer" shows when he is a calf, as long as they don't require male calves to be castrated :roll:

Good luck with you calf!
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Re: Show Bull

Postby Taurus » Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:45 pm

Our neighbor's daughter had a show bull.....HAD. His attitude changed alot after breeding cows.
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Re: Show Bull

Postby Fire Sweep Ranch » Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:25 pm

I think just about every bull we have shown beyond a yearling has bred a cow or two during that time. Our Steel Force bull that we showed early spring last year bred several, and before a big show we tossed him out with the cows to get some exercise (he was getting soft) and he did get injured. He popped his jump muscle and had to be left at home. He was not lame, just had a huge bump on his back above his loin. We never showed him again.
We have 8 head due to him in March (Inyeti's Margo is one), so he was busy when he injured himself!
We will usually hand breed if we want to cover a cow, like we breed horses. Take the cow/Heifer out on a halter to his pasture and let him breed her, then take the cow/heifer back to her pen. But you have to be willing to sacrifice his show career if something happens.
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Re: Show Bull

Postby branguscowgirl » Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:50 pm

No offense FSR. But I personally would not "halter breed" with a bull. I think it is too easy to get hurt and have the sucker decide he wants you out of the way. Just my :2cents:
I had my show bull running with the cows last year, (have some calves on the ground this year from him.) Pulled him out and showed him in January with no ill effect. Again, I really think it depends on the individual bull.
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Re: Show Bull

Postby shortybreeder » Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:16 pm

One of the main methods of artificially collecting a bull involves having him "halter breed" with another person getting even closer... Once he does his thing he will usually calm down and not become hostile. It does take some training to get the bull to go through the process smoothly though.
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Re: Show Bull

Postby Till-Hill » Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:48 pm

branguscowgirl wrote:No offense FSR. But I personally would not "halter breed" with a bull. I think it is too easy to get hurt and have the sucker decide he wants you out of the way. Just my :2cents:
I had my show bull running with the cows last year, (have some calves on the ground this year from him.) Pulled him out and showed him in January with no ill effect. Again, I really think it depends on the individual bull.

That's how every bull gets collected and being around both horses and cows I'd much rather halter breed a bull than a horse!
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Re: Show Bull

Postby branguscowgirl » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:38 am

It does take some training to get the bull to go through the process smoothly though.

I am not saying it can't be done. "Training" is the key word. If they do not know what they are doing, I would highly discourage it.

Till hill, that is NOT "how every bull is collected". I understand the collection process. I have collected many bulls. Never a cow present. Always in the chute with a stimulator up his rear and a collection container. It sounds like you have never seen this performed by a vet.
Horses are nothing like a bull. I have collected both.
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Re: Show Bull

Postby Till-Hill » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:49 am

Branguscowgirl you are correct. You can and I have collected "manually" that is not the preferred method tho. Major AI studs when they are collecting them 2-3 times a week the bull jumps a steer and a person then takes the penis into a collection day device.
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