Banvel/dicamba

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Re: Banvel/dicamba

Postby jedstivers » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:27 pm

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jedstivers wrote: We've traced D damage 13 miles.


Care to elaborate on this? What size application was the source that drifted 13 miles? I've sprayed within 100 yards of cotton and never had any problems.

It was July or August and put out by plane. It was awful on the damage it caused.
D absouatly cannot be put out here in any way what so ever without causing cotton damage.
In fact it's illegal after April 15th in this county.
Lot of other cases with it being traced for miles but I can't remember them as well. I was in direct line on this one.

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Re: Banvel/dicamba

Postby M-5 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:07 pm

Is it just from aerial application?? I've never heard of a problem here. I've sprayed pastures for years even with cotton in adjoining fields. I looked it up and no restrictions here that I see.
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Re: Banvel/dicamba

Postby Cross-7 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:50 am

Cross-7 wrote:I don't understand it
I have random places like this scattered throughout, but then most of it looks like the 2nd pic
What causes the weeds in certain spots
Its random and not due to heavy traffic, shade, water or anything. Completely random
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I've been trying to decide what to do about the weeds and have limited options due crops near by.
At home prickly pear, yucca, broomweed and etc is an indication of overgrazing.
The only solution is to clean it up and the #1 thing is to rest it and let the turf recover.

This place so different from home.
Here you have different grasses depending on the season.
Lots of annuals opposed to a sod turf out west.
So I don't know that rest would really help as long as it's not abused.
I know undestand the term grass farmer

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Re: Banvel/dicamba

Postby bird dog » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:08 am

Don't think one year will be the norm because it won't especially on the weeds. I have a nice 80 acre tract that is mostly coastal bermuda with patches of common. It is sandy loam soil and has always had a Wooly Croton problem but not many other weeds. I spray it yearly to keep the croton in check.
For some reason this year I have a bunch of thistle for weeds and a lot of Big Blue Stem grasses suddenly appear. The bermuda seems healthy but needs a bunch of nitrogen according to the soil test. I'm pretty sure the thistle came from the neighbors place but what triggered the blue stem to show up is a mystery.

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Re: Banvel/dicamba

Postby Cross-7 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:17 pm

Same here
This is just my second summer here and there was a some little bluestem last summer, but this year there is a lot of big bluestem.
After an unusually wet spring the horsenettle, cocklebur, marestail, sunflower have just taken over in some patches.
I had some weeds last year but not like this year.
I can't stand to look at. I feel like I need to be doing something about it

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Re: Banvel/dicamba

Postby Jogeephus » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:27 pm

jedstivers wrote:
Jogeephus wrote:
jedstivers wrote: We've traced D damage 13 miles.


Care to elaborate on this? What size application was the source that drifted 13 miles? I've sprayed within 100 yards of cotton and never had any problems.

It was July or August and put out by plane. It was awful on the damage it caused.
D absouatly cannot be put out here in any way what so ever without causing cotton damage.
In fact it's illegal after April 15th in this county.
Lot of other cases with it being traced for miles but I can't remember them as well. I was in direct line on this one.


Thanks, I can see it happening with a plane since you are treating so many acres so fast. I thought it used to be illegal in Georgia to apply herbicides with fixed wing aircraft but after reading the label I see where this must have been changed. I have no doubt 2,4-D can volatilize and toast cotton but I think most cattle producers wouldn't put out enough fast enough to create conditions like you speak. I've never had any trouble anyway but I will back off near cotton and leave a buffer because I do have concerns.
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Re: Banvel/dicamba

Postby nkotb » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:02 pm

Several different versions of Banvel/Dicamba, some more volatile than others. A drift reducer will not help/minimally help with actual volatilization. In parts of Kansas where cotton was tried, a large part of our issue was the fact that everyone is very dependent on 2,4-D, where it seemed you could have driven through the county with the lid off of a jug and at least curled most of the cotton within a few miles.

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Re: Banvel/dicamba

Postby jedstivers » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:24 pm

Jogeephus wrote:
jedstivers wrote:
Jogeephus wrote:
Care to elaborate on this? What size application was the source that drifted 13 miles? I've sprayed within 100 yards of cotton and never had any problems.

It was July or August and put out by plane. It was awful on the damage it caused.
D absouatly cannot be put out here in any way what so ever without causing cotton damage.
In fact it's illegal after April 15th in this county.
Lot of other cases with it being traced for miles but I can't remember them as well. I was in direct line on this one.


Thanks, I can see it happening with a plane since you are treating so many acres so fast. I thought it used to be illegal in Georgia to apply herbicides with fixed wing aircraft but after reading the label I see where this must have been changed. I have no doubt 2,4-D can volatilize and toast cotton but I think most cattle producers wouldn't put out enough fast enough to create conditions like you speak. I've never had any trouble anyway but I will back off near cotton and leave a buffer because I do have concerns.

It takes almost no D at all to mess up hundreds of acres of cotton.
One gallon can get hundreds of thousands of dollars of cotton.

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Re: Banvel/dicamba

Postby Jogeephus » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:47 pm

Never seen anything like you describe here but we only apply it with ground equipment and not planes. How much of this do you think is from aerial application of rice?
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Re: Banvel/dicamba

Postby greybeard » Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:27 pm

Cross-7 wrote:
Texas PaPaw wrote:Just stock up on Remedy when you are in Texas. Not restricted here. The big ag chem dist will probably have best prices but should be able to get it at TSC, Atwood's and other farm stores.



It's the 24-d in remedy that's the problem.
I was told dicamba won't volatilize.
After Jed's comment I did a search and he is correct it will gas up.
I didn't get much sprayed due the wind getting up.
The crops around are dicamba cotton and no other crops in the area, but I won't use it again.
I haven't found anything that'll stay put and not gas up

Start on Pg 51 if your county is one the list:
http://www.oda.state.ok.us/forms/cps/cpl.pdf

35:30-17-24.1. Restricted use areas
(a) Applications of products containing 2,4-D esters or dicamba as an active
ingredient to agricultural lands shall not be made in Greer, Harmon, and Kiowa
counties between 12:01 a.m. of May 1 of each calendar year through 11:59 p.m. of
October 15 of each calendar year except in accordance with the provisions of this
section.
(b) Applications of products containing 2,4-D, dicamba, picloram, triclopyr, or
clopyralid as an active ingredient to agricultural lands shall not be made in Jackson
and Tillman counties between 12:01 a.m. of May 1 of each calendar year through
11:59 p.m. of October 15 of each calendar year except in accordance with the
provisions of this section.
(c) Any person intending to apply any of the herbicides listed in subsection (a) or (b)
in the counties and during the times prohibited shall adhere to the following
procedure:
(1) The person shall notify the Department of the intent to apply herbicides listed
in subsection (a) or (b) prior to the application on a form provided by the
Department.
(2) The person shall file a report with the Department on a form provided by the
Department no later than seven (7) working days after the last application date
provided in the original notification of the herbicide use.
(d) Failure to comply with this section shall be a violation.
(e) All records and notifications required by this section shall be in addition to any
records required to be maintained by a commercial applicator pursuant to other rules.
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(f) The provisions of this section shall not apply to applications of 2,4DB.


There may be more below that--I didn't look at all of it..
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Re: Banvel/dicamba

Postby Cross-7 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:12 pm

Did I say I sprayed dicamba ?
I meant I'd like to spray but it's against the law so I didn't spray, I was just wishing I could but I knew better

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Re: Banvel/dicamba

Postby GAonmymind » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:48 pm

Cross 7 :deadhorse:

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Re: Banvel/dicamba

Postby Cross-7 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:59 pm

GAonmymind wrote:Cross 7 :deadhorse:


GAonmymind wrote:Cross 7 :deadhorse:


Thats how I feel about the weeds
I'm going to sharpen my hoe and get busy.
I won't make a dent but it'll make me feel better to chop them down

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Re: Banvel/dicamba

Postby jedstivers » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:24 pm

Jogeephus wrote:Never seen anything like you describe here but we only apply it with ground equipment and not planes. How much of this do you think is from aerial application of rice?

It can't be applied by air after April 1. Can't go by ground after April 15.
No pilot will touch it now. The ones that did got schooled well. The time it was so bad on me was in the early 90's.
Been several smaller cases of ground rigs putting it out late and it is devastating too. A few miles can happen from a inversion.
We have inversion conditions daily.
Even a hand sprayer spot treating something will go hundreds of yards across a field.

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Re: Banvel/dicamba

Postby Bigfoot » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:41 pm

Could they make a 2 four d ready cotton? It's pretty hard on tobacco to. None of the coops around here will spray it for you after early spring.
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