Alfalfa/orchard mix after winter rye?

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Alfalfa/orchard mix after winter rye?

Postby Franke » Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:17 pm

Does anyone have experience after corn silage is off planting winter rye, then cutting it for dry bales in the late spring early summer then planting an alfalfa/orchard grass mixer after for a new seeding?
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Re: Alfalfa/orchard mix after winter rye?

Postby Stocker Steve » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:36 pm

Double cropping looks great on paper but it raises your risk level.
One assumes there is enough moisture, and enough time, to do it all.
Why would you want to make rye hay?
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Re: Alfalfa/orchard mix after winter rye?

Postby Franke » Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:15 am

It was a thought my dad had and we know very little about it. We have just not had the greatest luck of keeping the dandelions out when we do oats with the alfalfa orchard grass mix planted in the spring the last couple of years. Also we have about 3/4 of our hay ground that needs to be ripped up and planted in new fields and that can make a lot of oats(don’t need all the oat bales). We are just seeing if people have had success doing this.
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Re: Alfalfa/orchard mix after winter rye?

Postby Dave » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:40 pm

I do know of dairy farmers who rye grass into silage corn. They actually interseed the rye into the corn at the last cultivation. The rye is there and looks sickly when they chop the corn but takes off as soon as the corn is gone. I know of another guy who plants winter triticale behind his corn silage. I both cases they harvest the rye or triticale as silage and go back to corn again.
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Re: Alfalfa/orchard mix after winter rye?

Postby Stocker Steve » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:28 pm

Franke wrote:It was a thought my dad had and we know very little about it. We have just not had the greatest luck of keeping the dandelions out when we do oats with the alfalfa orchard grass mix planted in the spring the last couple of years.


Lots and lots of reasons for weeds in a new seeding, and dandelions are usually a sign of a hay stand that is too thin.

Lots and lots of reasons for a hay stand that is too thin, and the "nurse" crop can be the cause.

How heavy do you seed the oats, and when do you cut it?
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Re: Alfalfa/orchard mix after winter rye?

Postby Franke » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:48 pm

Stocker Steve wrote:
Franke wrote:It was a thought my dad had and we know very little about it. We have just not had the greatest luck of keeping the dandelions out when we do oats with the alfalfa orchard grass mix planted in the spring the last couple of years.


Lots and lots of reasons for weeds in a new seeding, and dandelions are usually a sign of a hay stand that is too thin.

Lots and lots of reasons for a hay stand that is too thin, and the "nurse" crop can be the cause.

How heavy do you seed the oats, and when do you cut it?

2-3 lbs an acre seeded, and cut after it starts heading out. I had someone else who thought the dandelion seed would be in with the grass seed.
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Re: Alfalfa/orchard mix after winter rye?

Postby Stocker Steve » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:54 pm

Two to three bushels is more than recommended. You are taking a risk here with your stand.

Do you spray (broclean) for broadleaf weeds?
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Re: Alfalfa/orchard mix after winter rye?

Postby Franke » Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:54 am

No we don’t spray broclean. Does it affect mature alfalfa at all or no? The quick search I did said seedling alfalfa.
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Re: Alfalfa/orchard mix after winter rye?

Postby Stocker Steve » Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:32 am

Have never sprayed mature alfalfa.
New seeding legumes need to be 4 leaf or more before spraying.
This is not like a burn down spray. The broad leaves are set back, but many survive.
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Re: Alfalfa/orchard mix after winter rye?

Postby Franke » Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:12 pm

Might have to try that. Thanks
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Re: Alfalfa/orchard mix after winter rye?

Postby Stocker Steve » Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:42 pm

I have been using lots of manure to rebuild my soil, and so I was getting more weeds and chest high oats regularly. Not good for a new seeding, even if you spray the broad leaves.
I have been experimenting with barley, rather than oats, as a nurse/curse crop. Seems to work much better - - shorter stalk and less leaves and a thicker new seeding in the fall. :nod:
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