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Postby cowlady1 » Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:14 pm

I have a horse that her back hooves are good hardly have to trim them. Her front hooves are always in need of trimming. They don't seem to smell or anything. Could this be a founder problem? We ride on dirt so I don't shoe my horses but keep them trimmed. I always thought all 4 hooves would show founder if she had it. I'm a cow person more than a horse person. I'd really like to know. I've been around horses but don't know as much about them.
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Postby msscamp » Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:44 pm

Founder manifests in the front hooves only. Is she tender on one or both of her front feet? Does she have a tendency to go lame on one or both of them for no apparent reason? Is she holding one of them up - or alternating holding both of them up? Does she stretch her front feet out in front of her, while kind of sitting back on her haunches in an attempt to get weight off them? Do the hooves on her front feet look different than the back feet - ridged, bumpy, uneven, striated, etc? If so, I would be inclined to say you're dealing with a case of founder.
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Postby Kelly » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:12 pm

It is very possible for a horse to have laminitis & founder in all 4 feet. My horse has foundered in 3 of the 4 at one time.You could be dealing with laminitis that is causing the front feet to grow at a faster rate. Can you post pics of the feet? What kind of diet is the horse on? Is it on pasture? What breed? Is the horse tender footed or hesitant to take tight turns?
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Postby Cindy » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:32 pm

Sometimes it is caused by being in soft dirt all the time.Also if your horse is club footed it will grow the heel 3 x faster then the hoof wall. Cindy
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Postby msscamp » Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:15 pm

msscamp wrote:Founder manifests in the front hooves only.


Oops, forgot the 'generally' between 'founder' and 'manifests'. Sorry.
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Postby cowlady1 » Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:14 pm

This horse is american saddle bred about 7years old. She does stand holding one foot up most of the time. however when you ride her she doesn't seem to have any problem. She stretches out sometimes. back feet no problem.It's mostly her front ones.She is in pasture but its real short.1quart of grain for the day if not ridding. 2quarts before a ride 2after she has cooled down. 12% horse feed & 1st cut hay about 2flakes 3 times a day. water at all times. She is in nice shape its her feet. You can trim her feet with no problem.I've seen horses foundered badly & they didn't stand to well. Thats why I wasn't sure.
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Postby msscamp » Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:21 pm

Anytime a horse stands with one foot held up, there is a major problem. I would call my vet, and I would call a good farrier. I would also cut out all grain, alfalfa hay, and very good quality grass hay - too much protein in all of them - until I knew what I was dealing with.
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Postby flaboy » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:23 am

msscamp wrote:Anytime a horse stands with one foot held up, there is a major problem. I would call my vet, and I would call a good farrier. I would also cut out all grain, alfalfa hay, and very good quality grass hay - too much protein in all of them - until I knew what I was dealing with.


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Postby ArrowHBrand » Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:43 pm

msscamp wrote:Anytime a horse stands with one foot held up, there is a major problem. I would call my vet, and I would call a good farrier. I would also cut out all grain, alfalfa hay, and very good quality grass hay - too much protein in all of them - until I knew what I was dealing with.


Actually a horse cocking up a hoof isn't neccessarily a problem almost all of our horses do it, it's just like a person taking weight off a leg and standing to relax. Also founder is brought upon by too much sucrose and fructose sugars such as fresh green grass in the spring or after fall rain and horses are in pasture. I think the original question in this post was if her horse was foundering if the back hooves didn't need to be trimmed as often as the fronts. It doesn't mean anything if the backs aren't as long when the farrier comes. If you think about it the backs get the most use because the are used for propulsion. I trim our horses and the fronts are always longer than the backs. Sometimes I'll trim the fronts and just rasp the backs. Don't worry.
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Postby cowlady1 » Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:03 pm

I'd like to thank everybody for your opinions. Like I said I'm a cow person. The only thing I knew about horses you could put in 3 sentences. I know how to feed them & even with founder but this horse has me stumped. She sort of acts foundered & yet not like ones I've seen. The way I was tought to do horses here is the bridle blanket saddle & this is how you do the feet. Quite a lesson it could have had a little bit more to it I thought.Nothing on shots or fevers none of that sort of thing.It's been an experience for that part.
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Postby msscamp » Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:50 pm

ArrowHBrand wrote:
msscamp wrote:Anytime a horse stands with one foot held up, there is a major problem. I would call my vet, and I would call a good farrier. I would also cut out all grain, alfalfa hay, and very good quality grass hay - too much protein in all of them - until I knew what I was dealing with.


Actually a horse cocking up a hoof isn't neccessarily a problem almost all of our horses do it, it's just like a person taking weight off a leg and standing to relax.


When is the last time you saw a horse standing around with a front foot cocked?
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Postby ArrowHBrand » Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:44 am

msscamp wrote:
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msscamp wrote:Anytime a horse stands with one foot held up, there is a major problem. I would call my vet, and I would call a good farrier. I would also cut out all grain, alfalfa hay, and very good quality grass hay - too much protein in all of them - until I knew what I was dealing with.


Actually a horse cocking up a hoof isn't neccessarily a problem almost all of our horses do it, it's just like a person taking weight off a leg and standing to relax.


When is the last time you saw a horse standing around with a front foot cocked?


We have a mare that will cock her front hoof, no probs. When was the last time you saw a foundered horse stand with it's front foot cocked? I'd say never, but that's only my opinion. I didn't say a horse that cocks it's foot isn't hurt I said a cocked hoof doesn't always mean injury.

There is no question if a horse has foundered or not you will be able to tell. The last mare we had foundered could hardly walk and would stretch way out leaning back to keep the weight off of her front feet. I think your horse is alright, but keep checking her out to make sure it doesn't get worse.
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Postby J&T Farm » Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:45 am

A horse that has foundered in the past will need extra trimming and care for the rest of there life in most cases. Most horses do founder on the front feet, I have seen some that foundered all the way around. If the horse has been foundered your horseshoer would know it. Some horses front feet just grow more, our horses front feet are always longer that the backs, have more cracks, some of it is because the front feet carry alot more weight than the backs. If the horse is sore on the front feet something may be wrong but, if it is just that the feet are growing long and cracking, I would say you just need a good horseshoer. If the horse has foundered before the founder is done and you can't rotate the coffin bone back up so you just have to work with the foot the way it is, If the horse is having trouble walking corrective measures can be taken by a horseshoer to help relieve stress on the tendons, and muscles, wedge pads, trimming the feet at the right angles.
Hopefully your horse is just one that front feet grow faster on.
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Postby cowlady1 » Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:28 pm

This horse doesn't stretch out like her feet hurt her or anything & her hooves are not split. The hooves have like lines that go around the hoof not up or down.When she stretches out she sort of does it like a show horse. Thats the only way I know to discribe this. She may be okay I always wondered if she was or not. I've seen bad cases of founder if she has it I'm either keeping her from getting worse or she just started into it when I bought her.She's a nice trail horse well broke has a habbit or 2. I'd like to keep her. Might need transportion if the gas & ect. keeps going up.You never know.
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Postby ArrowHBrand » Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:15 am

Sounds like your horse might have ringbone which only means she needs more attention when your farrier comes and your farrier may need to come more often, but if kept in check your horse will be fine. :D
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