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Re: fence tips and tricks

Postby Bright Raven » Mon May 21, 2018 8:18 am

Farm Fence Solutions wrote:Inline braces work fine, they just cost twice as much.


Luke, you need to come back and visit Adrian!

When you do, I will show you some inline braces on 135 to 140 degree angles - some tied off, some pulled around - and the fence is as tight as a banjo string. Put up by Kevin 8 years ago. I will admit, I can also show you some that have given up some of the wire tension, but the fence still does the job.
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Re: fence tips and tricks

Postby callmefence » Mon May 21, 2018 8:21 am

Bright Raven wrote:You fence guys like tight fences. But consider, you are shoveling shyt into the tide. There is a Law of Thermodynamics that states - all matter seeks its lowest energy level. That means:

1. Wire fatigues.
2. Braces eventually surrender.
3. Materials decay as they revert to their natural state.

You are only delaying the inevitable. But Bless your hearts. You give it your best effort and we love you for it. Lol

Reference:
The principle of minimum energy is essentially a restatement of the second law of thermodynamics. It states that for a closed system, with constant external parameters and entropy, the internal energy will decrease and approach a minimum value at equilibrium. External parameters generally means the volume, but may include other parameters which are specified externally, such as a constant magnetic field.


Really in truly there's a small amount of truth to that. Thing is if you do 100 jobs right you'll get paid and make a living. You screw one up. You either fix it out of pocket or you get your name drug through the mud. And have to become a gypsy to make a living. Lots of the fence on place is piece mill. For various and good reason. My customers are not. Sometimes I have braces pull. It happens , sometimes a wire breaks. If it's my fault I'll fix it. Weather it's a week old or ten years old. If you get into with the tractor you can pay me.
I've got wire on this place. Low tensile..
That's pushing forty. It's still tight enough that a grown man can ladder climb it between the post. Not because it was stretched and tied off to ridiculous tension, " after having a dodad hung on it. But because it was stretched properly. It maintains its tension all the while putting a manageable strain on the brace. Anybody can use their Google and be a internet expert in anything. But most of the real expertise in this occupation is in the heads of men who never used Google.. and are actually old enough to say the built a 50year fence.....
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Re: fence tips and tricks

Postby callmefence » Mon May 21, 2018 8:35 am

Bright Raven wrote:
Farm Fence Solutions wrote:Inline braces work fine, they just cost twice as much.


Luke, you need to come back and visit Adrian!

When you do, I will show you some inline braces on 135 to 140 degree angles - some tied off, some pulled around - and the fence is as tight as a banjo string. Put up by Kevin 8 years ago. I will admit, I can also show you some that have given up some of the wire tension, but the fence still does the job.


There's another way to handle this problem for folks opposed to the kicker brace.
You go up a size or two on your post. Drive it good and deep. No move perpendicular and preferably to the inside of the turn and drive your dead man. Only drive to about 6" below ground level. Stop and saddle the top before you go in the ground. Now dig small trench 6" deep. Saddle one end of a piece of pipe the saddle goes to the post and the other end lays in the saddle of the dead man. You'll have to stand on your head to weld the part in the ground.
But you want the pipe on top so it I'll never get a tire. Cover it up and your brace is underground. We mostly use this when we have to hang a gate off a dead post.

Carry on
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Re: fence tips and tricks

Postby libertygarden » Mon May 21, 2018 8:41 am

Bright Raven wrote:Reference:
External parameters generally means the volume, but may include other parameters which are specified externally, such as a constant magnetic field.


Or in this case, the creek overflowing and trashing the fence. I get you about running as straight line as much as possible, even at the expense of pasture land. That's how I've been marking the spots for the corner braces.
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Re: fence tips and tricks

Postby M-5 » Mon May 21, 2018 8:42 am

callmefence wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
Farm Fence Solutions wrote:Inline braces work fine, they just cost twice as much.


Luke, you need to come back and visit Adrian!

When you do, I will show you some inline braces on 135 to 140 degree angles - some tied off, some pulled around - and the fence is as tight as a banjo string. Put up by Kevin 8 years ago. I will admit, I can also show you some that have given up some of the wire tension, but the fence still does the job.


There's another way to handle this problem for folks opposed to the kicker brace.
You go up a size or two on your post. Drive it good and deep. No move perpendicular and preferably to the inside of the turn and drive your dead man. Only drive to about 6" below ground level. Stop and saddle the top before you go in the ground. Now dig small trench 6" deep. Saddle one end of a piece of pipe the saddle goes to the post and the other end lays in the saddle of the dead man. You'll have to stand on your head to weld the part in the ground.
But you want the pipe on top so it I'll never get a tire. Cover it up and your brace is underground. We mostly use this when we have to hang a gate off a dead post.

Carry on

As I repair and fix some corner post that are leaning from poor installation by PO , I loosen the wire dig down the side of post pull back square then dig a trench on the pressure side that will hold 3 or 4 bags of concrete
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Re: fence tips and tricks

Postby Farm Fence Solutions » Mon May 21, 2018 8:43 am

callmefence wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
Farm Fence Solutions wrote:Inline braces work fine, they just cost twice as much.


Luke, you need to come back and visit Adrian!

When you do, I will show you some inline braces on 135 to 140 degree angles - some tied off, some pulled around - and the fence is as tight as a banjo string. Put up by Kevin 8 years ago. I will admit, I can also show you some that have given up some of the wire tension, but the fence still does the job.


There's another way to handle this problem for folks opposed to the kicker brace.
You go up a size or two on your post. Drive it good and deep. No move perpendicular and preferably to the inside of the turn and drive your dead man. Only drive to about 6" below ground level. Stop and saddle the top before you go in the ground. Now dig small trench 6" deep. Saddle one end of a piece of pipe the saddle goes to the post and the other end lays in the saddle of the dead man. You'll have to stand on your head to weld the part in the ground.
But you want the pipe on top so it I'll never get a tire. Cover it up and your brace is underground. We mostly use this when we have to hang a gate off a dead post.

Carry on


We've built some H braces like that on high dollar horse farms. The insurance company usually mandates that there won't be any twitch wire or brace post where a foot could become trapped. Works pretty good, but it'll sore some muscles up that you didn't know you had. lol
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Re: fence tips and tricks

Postby Bright Raven » Mon May 21, 2018 8:44 am

libertygarden wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:Reference:
External parameters generally means the volume, but may include other parameters which are specified externally, such as a constant magnetic field.


Or in this case, the creek overflowing and trashing the fence. I get you about running as straight line as much as possible, even at the expense of pasture land. That's how I've been marking the spots for the corner braces.


I have areas where I am on the third fence because the two previous fences failed mainly due to trying to salvage a few more feet of pasture. I have stopped doing that. In one area, I gave up probably a half acre to the adjoining landowner so I could build a decent fence.
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Re: fence tips and tricks

Postby Farm Fence Solutions » Mon May 21, 2018 8:48 am

callmefence wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:You fence guys like tight fences. But consider, you are shoveling shyt into the tide. There is a Law of Thermodynamics that states - all matter seeks its lowest energy level. That means:

1. Wire fatigues.
2. Braces eventually surrender.
3. Materials decay as they revert to their natural state.

You are only delaying the inevitable. But Bless your hearts. You give it your best effort and we love you for it. Lol

Reference:
The principle of minimum energy is essentially a restatement of the second law of thermodynamics. It states that for a closed system, with constant external parameters and entropy, the internal energy will decrease and approach a minimum value at equilibrium. External parameters generally means the volume, but may include other parameters which are specified externally, such as a constant magnetic field.


Really in truly there's a small amount of truth to that. Thing is if you do 100 jobs right you'll get paid and make a living. You screw one up. You either fix it out of pocket or you get your name drug through the mud. And have to become a gypsy to make a living. Lots of the fence on place is piece mill. For various and good reason. My customers are not. Sometimes I have braces pull. It happens , sometimes a wire breaks. If it's my fault I'll fix it. Weather it's a week old or ten years old. If you get into with the tractor you can pay me.
I've got wire on this place. Low tensile..
That's pushing forty. It's still tight enough that a grown man can ladder climb it between the post. Not because it was stretched and tied off to ridiculous tension, " after having a dodad hung on it. But because it was stretched properly. It maintains its tension all the while putting a manageable strain on the brace. Anybody can use their Google and be a internet expert in anything. But most of the real expertise in this occupation is in the heads of men who never used Google.. and are actually old enough to say the built a 50year fence.....


Embrace the dodad. It offers proof of consistency and starts converstions that lead to better conversations. A good fencer doesn't need one, but it doesn't hurt for proving quality in the midst of a sale.
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Re: fence tips and tricks

Postby libertygarden » Mon May 21, 2018 9:08 am

Callmefence,

So you recommend that in clay soil pipe be used for corner braces and it be pounded in to more than 4 feet? I got an estimate for a professional to do the perimeter including the fence clearing and it came out to $4/foot or $30K. And he was using 10' telephone posts. That's when I decided to give it a shot myself. Every time I pull a tick off I question the wisdom of that decision.
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Re: fence tips and tricks

Postby callmefence » Mon May 21, 2018 9:38 am

M-5 wrote:
callmefence wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
Luke, you need to come back and visit Adrian!

When you do, I will show you some inline braces on 135 to 140 degree angles - some tied off, some pulled around - and the fence is as tight as a banjo string. Put up by Kevin 8 years ago. I will admit, I can also show you some that have given up some of the wire tension, but the fence still does the job.


There's another way to handle this problem for folks opposed to the kicker brace.
You go up a size or two on your post. Drive it good and deep. No move perpendicular and preferably to the inside of the turn and drive your dead man. Only drive to about 6" below ground level. Stop and saddle the top before you go in the ground. Now dig small trench 6" deep. Saddle one end of a piece of pipe the saddle goes to the post and the other end lays in the saddle of the dead man. You'll have to stand on your head to weld the part in the ground.
But you want the pipe on top so it I'll never get a tire. Cover it up and your brace is underground. We mostly use this when we have to hang a gate off a dead post.

Carry on

As I repair and fix some corner post that are leaning from poor installation by PO , I loosen the wire dig down the side of post pull back square then dig a trench on the pressure side that will hold 3 or 4 bags of concrete


Yep ..done that ..I like to put a couple of pieces of rebar in .
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Re: fence tips and tricks

Postby callmefence » Mon May 21, 2018 9:50 am

libertygarden wrote:Callmefence,

So you recommend that in clay soil pipe be used for corner braces and it be pounded in to more than 4 feet? I got an estimate for a professional to do the perimeter including the fence clearing and it came out to $4/foot or $30K. And he was using 10' telephone posts. That's when I decided to give it a shot myself. Every time I pull a tick off I question the wisdom of that decision.


I recommend you use pipe in all situations. If you're in the Texas blackland. I would use 10' post drove to 4 1/2 foot and a dead man drove to 8' plus
All welded. So you end up with 19 plus feet of pipe in the ground on every brace. I live where the hill country and blackland meet. Literally on my property.
Black land soil will move building's. Nowhere is depth more important. The price is Not bad. Just don't give a dime for any work not completed and inspected. And don't turn your back on anyone. You might get short posted. Your welcome to contact me I don't venture to far. But I might know someone.
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Re: fence tips and tricks

Postby callmefence » Mon May 21, 2018 9:55 am

Farm Fence Solutions wrote:
callmefence wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:You fence guys like tight fences. But consider, you are shoveling shyt into the tide. There is a Law of Thermodynamics that states - all matter seeks its lowest energy level. That means:

1. Wire fatigues.
2. Braces eventually surrender.
3. Materials decay as they revert to their natural state.

You are only delaying the inevitable. But Bless your hearts. You give it your best effort and we love you for it. Lol

Reference:
The principle of minimum energy is essentially a restatement of the second law of thermodynamics. It states that for a closed system, with constant external parameters and entropy, the internal energy will decrease and approach a minimum value at equilibrium. External parameters generally means the volume, but may include other parameters which are specified externally, such as a constant magnetic field.


Really in truly there's a small amount of truth to that. Thing is if you do 100 jobs right you'll get paid and make a living. You screw one up. You either fix it out of pocket or you get your name drug through the mud. And have to become a gypsy to make a living. Lots of the fence on place is piece mill. For various and good reason. My customers are not. Sometimes I have braces pull. It happens , sometimes a wire breaks. If it's my fault I'll fix it. Weather it's a week old or ten years old. If you get into with the tractor you can pay me.
I've got wire on this place. Low tensile..
That's pushing forty. It's still tight enough that a grown man can ladder climb it between the post. Not because it was stretched and tied off to ridiculous tension, " after having a dodad hung on it. But because it was stretched properly. It maintains its tension all the while putting a manageable strain on the brace. Anybody can use their Google and be a internet expert in anything. But most of the real expertise in this occupation is in the heads of men who never used Google.. and are actually old enough to say the built a 50year fence.....


Embrace the dodad. It offers proof of consistency and starts converstions that lead to better conversations. A good fencer doesn't need one, but it doesn't hurt for proving quality in the midst of a sale.


I'll leave the dodad embracing to you . Lol
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Re: fence tips and tricks

Postby libertygarden » Mon May 21, 2018 11:27 am

Thanks Fenceman, regarding pulling wire, do you start top to bottom or bottom to top?
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Re: fence tips and tricks

Postby callmefence » Tue May 22, 2018 6:26 am

libertygarden wrote:Thanks Fenceman, regarding pulling wire, do you start top to bottom or bottom to top?
I pull the net as a whole. all at once. I start making off at the bottom then the top and fill in from there. theres some videos back in this thread. ill dig em out when I get a chance
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Re: fence tips and tricks

Postby Farm Fence Solutions » Tue May 22, 2018 6:34 am

callmefence wrote:
libertygarden wrote:Thanks Fenceman, regarding pulling wire, do you start top to bottom or bottom to top?
I pull the net as a whole. all at once. I start making off at the bottom then the top and fill in from there. theres some videos back in this thread. ill dig em out when I get a chance


I could have missed something Fence, but I think he's working with barb wire? I like to work from the top down, just because the wire won't hang up as much.
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