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never owned a cow

Postby City Guy » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:32 pm

I'm a city guy who has never owned a cow, but in case someone leaves a calf on my doorstep I want to be prepared! I have been studying livestock in books and going to shows and sales for twenty years but I have no hands-on experience. These are the things I believe at this time (subject to change).

1. Cattle should stay outdoors and eat grass.
2. Profit should be measured per acre, not per cow.
3. Mob grazing is the greatest thing since the invention of the printing press.
4. Nearly all livestock problems can and should be handled genetically or at least biologically.
5. Purebreds are for breeding, crossbreds are for eating.
6. Breed the best to the best, regardless of relationship.
7. Milk is a growth trait, not a maternal trait.
8. An average bull from a good herd is a better bet than a good bull from an average herd.
9. Many (most?) open cows are the fault of the bull, not the cow.
10. Two years old is too young to have a calf.
11. Quality, not quantity, of milk is more important to growth and development of calves, especially replacements.
12. One can raise a better bull than can be bought.

Feel free to change my mind. Thanks
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Re: never owned a cow

Postby FlyingLSimmentals » Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:33 pm

1. Yes
2. Yeah pretty much
3. Not sure about that
4. Not near all
5. Wrong. All purebreds aren't breeding quality, and crossbreds can make nice replacements. They all end up getting ate usually.
6. No
7. It's a maternal trait
8. Not all the time
9. Only sometimes
10. Wrong
11. somewhat right
12. Yes & No
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Re: never owned a cow

Postby Bigfoot » Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:53 pm

Dang. Your knowledge is pretty impressive.
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Postby Nesikep » Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:58 pm

I think Flying L covered it pretty accurately
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Re: never owned a cow

Postby Bigfoot » Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:08 pm

This'll be a good discussion. I think he is right on nearly all of them.
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Re: never owned a cow

Postby TCRanch » Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:54 pm

Nesikep wrote:I think Flying L covered it pretty accurately


X2. Geography is also a factor.

So is the cow-on-your-doorstep still in the city or do you have land/pasture/etc? I never owned a cow until we moved to the ranch permanently and the best education I received was from neighbors who are seasoned ranchers & our vets who worked with us hands-on. Your local sale barn is also a great place to hang out & really listen/learn. I didn't discover the bottomless pit of info on Cattle Today until last year :). Best of luck & welcome to the board!
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Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:03 pm

Cattle Today is a valuable tool for learning about cattle and the multitude of problems that can arise when you decide to raise them.
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Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:05 pm

Bigfoot wrote:This'll be a good discussion. I think he is right on nearly all of them.


Seriously Bigfoot?
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Re: never owned a cow

Postby ez14 » Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:08 pm

Bigfoot wrote:This'll be a good discussion. I think he is right on nearly all of them.

id like to see what ones you think are right/wrong

for someone that lives/lived? in the city he is impressive
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Re: never owned a cow

Postby City Guy » Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:16 pm

I live in Central Illinois and have two tomato plants on my deck. For twenty tears I owned and operated a nice Steak House so I know the business from that end. Every thing I know about cattle, sheep, chickens and horses came from the internet, books, magazines, state fairs and auctions. And just stopping in to visit farmers, if they would put up with me.
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Re: never owned a cow

Postby HDRider » Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:55 pm

Are you normal?

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Re: never owned a cow

Postby Bigfoot » Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:02 pm

City Guy wrote:I'm a city guy who has never owned a cow, but in case someone leaves a calf on my doorstep I want to be prepared! I have been studying livestock in books and going to shows and sales for twenty years but I have no hands-on experience. These are the things I believe at this time (subject to change).

1. Cattle should stay outdoors and eat grass. YES
2. Profit should be measured per acre, not per cow. YES
3. Mob grazing is the greatest thing since the invention of the printing press. OPINION MAYBE A LITTLE OVERSTATED, BUT WHAT PRODUCES MORE GRASS?
4. Nearly all livestock problems can and should be handled genetically or at least biologically. TRUE
5. Purebreds are for breeding, crossbreds are for eating. MAYBE NOT THIS ONE, ALTHOUGH THAT IS THE GENERAL DIRECTION OF BOTH SEGMENTS
6. Breed the best to the best, regardless of relationship. LINEBREEDING?
7. Milk is a growth trait, not a maternal trait. I ACTUALLY DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT HE SAID, ALTHOUGH MILK IS IN MY PERSONAL TOP 3
8. An average bull from a good herd is a better bet than a good bull from an average herd.TRUE
9. Many (most?) open cows are the fault of the bull, not the cow. NOT THIS ONE
10. Two years old is too young to have a calf. IF I HAD MY CHOICE, ID AGREE. I DONT ALWAYS HAVE MY CHOICE. BRED AN 11 month old the other data
11. Quality, not quantity, of milk is more important to growth and development of calves, especially replacements. BUTTR FAT IS IMPORTANT
12. One can raise a better bull than can be bought. YES, IF THE BULL YOU ARE RAISING HELPS PROPEL YOUR HERD IN THE DIRECTION YOU ARE GOING.

Feel free to change my mind. Thanks
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Re: never owned a cow

Postby City Guy » Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:36 pm

Ok. Maybe I pontificated a bit comparing mob grazing to the printing press, but it's right up there with the slinky and disc brakes.

PS to HDRIDER: No I am absolutely not normal.
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Re: never owned a cow

Postby Son of Butch » Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:36 pm

City Guy wrote:I'm a city guy who has never owned a cow, but in case someone leaves a calf on my doorstep I want to be prepared!

Finally a man with a plan.
Be Prepared - Sir, you are a credit to the Boy Scouts of America.
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Re: never owned a cow

Postby ez14 » Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:46 pm

Son of Butch wrote:
City Guy wrote:I'm a city guy who has never owned a cow, but in case someone leaves a calf on my doorstep I want to be prepared!

Finally a man with a plan.
Be Prepared - Sir, you are a credit to the Boy Scouts of America.
:welcome: to the boards
i guess its good to be prepared but is it common for people to leave calves on doorsteps in the city :?: if so is it common enough to make a city house a good investment for a farmer :idea:
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