Too Much Rain?

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Re: Too Much Rain?

Postby skyhightree1 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:19 am

I have to agree with CF to me thats not a rain issue looks like a disease issue.
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Re: Too Much Rain?

Postby SPH » Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:18 am

I'll try to get a close-up if I can, reason why I am hesitant to think it is disease is they were perfectly healthy up until the time where we got dumped on with a stretch of heavy rains including a stretch where we probably got about 6+ inches in less than a week and it was right after that they gradually started to get droopy... The furthest away of the 3 pepper plants is the jalapeno plant and it was so saturated there the plant actually leaned over and I had to put it back upright and pack the soil in around the base. The green beans that yellowed a little look a lot like what happens with water logged soybeans when you had standing water after heavy rain.

This is from a rain that dumped 1.5" inches in under an hour on 6/30 which was probably the last big rain we've had but the affected plants were already starting to look droopy by then. This pool drained away shortly after the rain stopped but just shows how saturated the ground was when it couldn't handle any more rain. There is a low spot in that area that drains down the fence line where it slopes away but where the tomato and pepper plants are at I have never seen standing water as the grade gets higher towards the corner of the lot. Debating about doing some drainage work this fall to create some slight troughs for rain water to drain off the lot better.

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Re: Too Much Rain?

Postby CottageFarm » Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:41 am

Yeah, I noticed the yellowing on the beans but it's not severe. Peppers and tomatoes will take a surprising amount of water. The fruit can be damaged but the plants will generally survive. The plants will struggle far more from cold soil than too much water.

The tomato that is still alive looks diseased in that pic, but it is too hard to say for certain without a better look at the leaves and stems. There are a number of diseases that will be exacerbated/accelerated by wet leaves, especially if they don't get time to dry out well between rains and conditions are cooler. That may be why it seemed like the rain caused it. If it seemed to come on suddenly, it could well be Early Blight. It's one of the more common tomato problems, and is also one that will accelerate with wet leaf conditions. Alternaria, Powdery Mildew, and Verticillium are also common and seem to accelerate in wet conditions.
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Re: Too Much Rain?

Postby skyhightree1 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:03 am

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Does your home owners association frown upon cattle mooing after 10pm ? :shock: :lol2: just joking with you.
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Re: Too Much Rain?

Postby SPH » Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:13 am

skyhightree1 wrote:Does your home owners association frown upon cattle mooing after 10pm ? :shock: :lol2: just joking with you.


LOL! :lol: Yeah I should explain, my folks live at the farm and I live in town about 30 minutes away so I'm basically a minority owner as I still own a few cows in the herd and am the "hired man" if you want to call it that but I keep pretty involved with our cattle operation. Going out there tonight actually so probably going to have some new cattle pictures to share soon. Actually we don't have a home owner's association in our neighborhood thankfully although I found it funny that the monthly newsletter that comes with the water bill had a survey about owning chickens as they were getting inquiries and did not have a set in stone ordinance about it yet and the next month were the results which was quite a fun read to see all the reactions. The town I live in used to be a small rural town that now is gradually becoming a suburb of Des Moines so it's interesting to see how some of the "big city problems" are gradually starting to make new problems for a community that still has a small town feel to it.
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Re: Too Much Rain?

Postby skyhightree1 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:32 pm

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skyhightree1 wrote:Does your home owners association frown upon cattle mooing after 10pm ? :shock: :lol2: just joking with you.


LOL! :lol: Yeah I should explain, my folks live at the farm and I live in town about 30 minutes away so I'm basically a minority owner as I still own a few cows in the herd and am the "hired man" if you want to call it that but I keep pretty involved with our cattle operation. Going out there tonight actually so probably going to have some new cattle pictures to share soon. Actually we don't have a home owner's association in our neighborhood thankfully although I found it funny that the monthly newsletter that comes with the water bill had a survey about owning chickens as they were getting inquiries and did not have a set in stone ordinance about it yet and the next month were the results which was quite a fun read to see all the reactions. The town I live in used to be a small rural town that now is gradually becoming a suburb of Des Moines so it's interesting to see how some of the "big city problems" are gradually starting to make new problems for a community that still has a small town feel to it.


no need to explain cattle ownership is not a requirement. I think several on here do not have cattle anymore or what have you. I understand and yea it was a big stink here about allowing back yard chickens and if not mistaken I think you can have them in local cities but only so many per sq ft.
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Re: Too Much Rain?

Postby SPH » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:04 pm

Yeah I can see both sides about the chickens in town debate and many of the suburbs here have some kind of an ordinance in place where if they allow them you can only have a certain number and have to have proper cages and methods to care for them. After just going through selling a home last year and knowing how picky some people can be over things that seem so small or insignificant I probably lean towards no chickens in town. Biggest drawback is what if you were trying to sell your house and your neighbor has chickens? That definitely can scare away potential buyers and decrease value and I don't care if the neighbor even takes good care of them (which is another issue for the ones who don't know how to properly care for chickens.) If you want to raise chickens then get a farm or a small acreage on the edge of town where your immediate neighbors don't have to see them. The best survey comment I saw was if the reason behind owning chickens in town was to be "green" by producing your own fresh eggs and possibly butcher chickens too then why can't someone raise a calf in their backyard for freezer beef? Great point I thought, it's the same concept and a lot of the same issues (nuisances with smell, noise, not staying within their confinements, etc.)
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Re: Too Much Rain?

Postby skyhightree1 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:14 pm

Personally I am against gov't telling you what to do with anything you own. However in subdivisions if you do not have a home owners group in place established along with the neighborhood where everyone had to sign into to be a part of that and to own a home there if they were forbidden you have to follow those rules if no home owners assoc then skys the limits do what you want. Gov't telling me what to do... NO WAY
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Re: Too Much Rain?

Postby SPH » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:14 pm

skyhightree1 wrote:Personally I am against gov't telling you what to do with anything you own. However in subdivisions if you do not have a home owners group in place established along with the neighborhood where everyone had to sign into to be a part of that and to own a home there if they were forbidden you have to follow those rules if no home owners assoc then skys the limits do what you want. Gov't telling me what to do... NO WAY


Not that simple unfortunately just like the city has ordinances against burning trash and yard debris, noise levels, parking restrictions, etc. I get what you mean by doing what you want but in my opinion if you want that freedom then you should probably live outside of the city limits. I was born and raised on a farm myself but chose a career path that it's more convenient to live in town so I get now why they have what they do in place because even things that are allowed such as the neighbors dog can still cause issues with some people. If you want to get really technical there is probably a covenant on file with the city for each subdivision where it defines certain rules and terms. I know looking for a new home we had to be careful if we got interested in a place to make sure there wasn't anything against building a shed, fence, playset, having a garden, etc. in your backyard because some covenants did not allow those. When some of these places only have about 20 feet between you and the neighbor's house there has to be some kind of courtesy else chaos would break out amongst neighbors and in town you can't always choose your neighbors.
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Re: Too Much Rain?

Postby skyhightree1 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:43 pm

Hey I understand I grew up on a farm moved to suburbs in a gated community with home owners assoc. I woke up and said this isn't me now I moved back to the farm built a house and am happier now and my kids are too. I make a 50 minute commute atleast 3 days a week to my office I rent. I understand fully I am just saying I don't like gov't in my business. The nhood I was in had to have same mailbox same mulch same driveway NO SHEDS same fencing etc When I woke up off my stupor I said to myself if they want all of that they need to pay for this house then.
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Re: Too Much Rain?

Postby SPH » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:18 am

OK, back on topic. Here are the closer pictures requested. Thoughts?

Cherry Tomato Plant. Still seems somewhat healthy except of the lower bit but there are some green tomatoes on it.
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Bell pepper plant that I just noticed this morning still has a bit of life left but curious to see if it recovers enough to be a healthy enough plant
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Bell pepper plant and jalapeno plant that it's safe to assume are both lost causes
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Re: Too Much Rain?

Postby skyhightree1 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:26 am

it does look like roo much rain now
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Re: Too Much Rain?

Postby CottageFarm » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:09 am

Sorry, but it still looks like disease to me. The tomato looks like blight, which is primarily fungal.
I'm not as familiar with peppers, but the dark areas encircling the stems, and that they are dying from the root up are also indicative of disease. I did a very quick search and based on what I found, I'd say it's also likely to be fungal. Your overly wet conditions are the primary contributing factor.

Cut off the diseased leaves on the tomato. Same with the one surviving pepper. Remove the dead plants. Burn or bag all of this, do not compost it. Treat liberally with a fungicide spray, and retreat in a couple of weeks if your're still within the harvest period for the specific fungicide. They just might survive, but I would still try to get replacement plants. Do not plant them in the same place, your soil is contaminated now. It may have been there before as well. Plant brassicas or legumes in that area for the next several years, but not nightshades or cucurbits.
FWIW, Try to spray when pollinators are not around, there are concerns that fungicides may be a problem for bees. It's not yet proven, but still worthwhile to reduce exposure.
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Re: Too Much Rain?

Postby CottageFarm » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:12 am

One more thought... do you use any weed/feed type products on your lawn?
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Re: Too Much Rain?

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