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Re: Angus Heifer bull ideas

Postby Son of Butch » Sun Feb 14, 2016 3:40 pm

Sales catalog more Book sized than catalog.
http://www.schaffangusvalley.com
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Re: Angus Heifer bull ideas

Postby Baldie Maker » Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:58 pm

EF Commando
http://genex.crinet.com/beef/index.php? ... 71&lang=EN

Schiefelbein Effective
http://genex.crinet.com/beef/index.php? ... 40&lang=EN

Growth, moderate mature frame with milk in the mid 20's. Granted neither are at .9 of accuracy either
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Re: Angus Heifer bull ideas

Postby W.B. » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:49 am

Summit sires wedge shaped females that have more chest width than about 90 percent of calving ease sires. I really believe from a fertility standpoint he will improve just about any herd. The reason I say that is his dam and grandma are both pathfinders in a herd that runs large contemp groups in an unpampered manner. My oldest Game Day daughters are calving as five year olds and they are bred every fall. Easily the best fertility of any AI sire I have used. On the foot issue I would say Summit is above breed average for feet from what I have seen. Will know more as they get older.
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Re: Angus Heifer bull ideas

Postby Son of Butch » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:33 am

Baldie Maker wrote:EF Commando
http://genex.crinet.com/beef/index.php? ... 71&lang=EN

Schiefelbein Effective
http://genex.crinet.com/beef/index.php? ... 40&lang=EN

Growth, moderate mature frame with milk in the mid 20's. Granted neither are at .9 of accuracy

Schiefelbein Effective is getting very close to .9 he's at 85% bw acc.
He has been a very popular A.I. sync bull among those selling bred heifers here in Minnesota the past couple of years.
Although I can't say I've ever seen any calves. But I've heard they really like his calving ease.
However his ww and yw epd numbers have fallen at least 10% since he was first released.
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Re: Angus Heifer bull ideas

Postby Jake » Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:06 pm

so I'm down to these three

Platinum
http://accelgen.com/catalog/semen-beef/ ... inum-0010/
Summit
http://www.selectsiresbeef.com/index.ph ... ge?bid=181

This one is not sleep easy kind of bull but I've been told the BW are coming in smaller than expected and I just really want to try him.
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http://www.herbsterangus.com/seedstock.html
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Re: Angus Heifer bull ideas

Postby bse » Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:13 pm

Jake
You may want to check availability on Platnium.
I used him last year, like the calves, some thickness to em, didn't think he was available, so didn't mention him.
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Re: Angus Heifer bull ideas

Postby Jake » Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:17 pm

bse wrote:Jake
You may want to check availability on Platnium.
I used him last year, like the calves, some thickness to em, didn't think he was available, so didn't mention him.


I may have a source so I guess I will keep it a secret for now.
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Re: Angus Heifer bull ideas

Postby Son of Butch » Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:04 pm

Jake wrote:This one is not sleep easy kind of bull but I've been told the BW are coming in smaller than expected and I just really want to try him.
Seedstock
http://www.herbsterangus.com/seedstock.html

Seems they always do when using a higher than average bw sire on heifers... it's human nature to expect the worst, so even if
it's just an ounce lighter, always feeling of relief bcs you know it could have been worse.
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Re: Angus Heifer bull ideas

Postby Jake » Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:06 am

Son of Butch wrote:
Jake wrote:This one is not sleep easy kind of bull but I've been told the BW are coming in smaller than expected and I just really want to try him.
Seedstock
http://www.herbsterangus.com/seedstock.html

Seems they always do when using a higher than average bw sire on heifers... it's human nature to expect the worst, so even if
it's just an ounce lighter, always feeling of relief bcs you know it could have been worse.


He's a +2.0 on birth. I remember the days when we bred heifers to +3.0 angus bulls and didn't bat an eye. I don't know that I will actually try him on heifers but I will use him on some cows for sure.
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Re: Angus Heifer bull ideas

Postby W.B. » Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:28 pm

One more note. Summit's daughters maintain a 103 nursing ratio on over 100 daughters in 26 herds I believe. And more impressive is the fact that nearly half of his eligible daughters made pathfinder on their first year of eligibility. He will see more use here. No I am not a Select Sires rep. and only wish I owned an interest in the bull.
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Re: Angus Heifer bull ideas

Postby Lazy M » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:01 pm

What about the select sire Butkis bull? I've seen some of his calves and they look real good. GAR gridmaker is his sire and I think you wanted to stay away from them though..
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Re: Angus Heifer bull ideas

Postby Jake » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:08 pm

Lazy M wrote:What about the select sire Butkis bull? I've seen some of his calves and they look real good. GAR gridmaker is his sire and I think you wanted to stay away from them though..



Anything new age GAR isn't happening here. Some of the real old genetics are ok but I won't touch their stuff.
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Re: Angus Heifer bull ideas

Postby Lazy M » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:34 am

Jake wrote:
Lazy M wrote:What about the select sire Butkis bull? I've seen some of his calves and they look real good. GAR gridmaker is his sire and I think you wanted to stay away from them though..



Anything new age GAR isn't happening here. Some of the real old genetics are ok but I won't touch their stuff.

Where did they go wrong in your opinion?
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Re: Angus Heifer bull ideas

Postby Jake » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:28 am

Lazy M wrote:
Jake wrote:
Lazy M wrote:What about the select sire Butkis bull? I've seen some of his calves and they look real good. GAR gridmaker is his sire and I think you wanted to stay away from them though..



Anything new age GAR isn't happening here. Some of the real old genetics are ok but I won't touch their stuff.

Where did they go wrong in your opinion?


They gave up on everything an angus cow is suppose to be in chase of carcass. Feet legs udders maternal take a back seat to a scan number.
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Re: Angus Heifer bull ideas

Postby Lazy M » Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:49 am

I agree. It seems like the higher $B value that a bull has the more he looks like crap..
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