Smaller cow math vs. Longer calf ownership ?

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Smaller cow math vs. Longer calf ownership ?

Postby Stocker Steve » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:27 pm

The small cows per acre benefit has been beat to death. Now a few suppliers of the modern harder keeping/higher growth genetics have come back with - - yaaa small cow math per ACRE works - - but why don't you benefit by just retaining your existing high growth calves rather than starting over by flipping your cow herd? :cowboy: Have you been retaining growthy calves and have numbers on how well it worked?
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Re: Smaller cow math vs. Longer calf ownership ?

Postby RanchMan90 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:58 pm

Stocker Steve wrote:The small cows per acre benefit has been beat to death. Now a few suppliers of the modern harder keeping/higher growth genetics have come back with - - yaaa small cow math per ACRE works - - but why don't you benefit by just retaining your existing high growth calves rather than starting over by flipping your cow herd? :cowboy: Have you been retaining growthy calves and have numbers on how well it worked?

Watching futures boards it doesn't pay much from feeder to packer stage :2cents:
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Re: Smaller cow math vs. Longer calf ownership ?

Postby Stocker Steve » Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:04 pm

RanchMan90 wrote:Watching futures boards it doesn't pay much from feeder to packer stage :2cents:


Cow/calf doesn't pay much either... :(
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Re: Smaller cow math vs. Longer calf ownership ?

Postby RanchMan90 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:40 pm

Stocker Steve wrote:
RanchMan90 wrote:Watching futures boards it doesn't pay much from feeder to packer stage :2cents:


Cow/calf doesn't pay much either... :(

No sir. Looks like flat water water in the stocker segment with weaned calves costing as much as feeders. Haven't seen that in recent history.
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:05 pm

"weaned calves costing as much as feeders"
???? A "weaned calf" IS a "feeder", isn't it? I'm confused.
Size of cow has been beaten to death. It all boils down to environment.
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Postby Ky hills » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:14 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:"weaned calves costing as much as feeders"
???? A "weaned calf" IS a "feeder", isn't it? I'm confused.
Size of cow has been beaten to death. It all boils down to environment.


Here in KY weaned calves are referred to as feeders also, but are often called stockers in other places.
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Postby Nesikep » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:21 pm

Heaven forbid you just call them what they are so it makes sense.
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Postby Stocker Steve » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:34 pm

RanchMan90 wrote:No sir. Looks like flat water water in the stocker segment with weaned calves costing as much as feeders.


Real beef producers don't care about that price or marketing stuff-- it's all about putting on more pounds! ;-)
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Re: Smaller cow math vs. Longer calf ownership ?

Postby Dave » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:18 am

The prices here longer calf ownership pencils. The last report had calves below 650 to be off a penny and ones over 650 up 6-8 cents. They have 500-600 steers at $1.44-$1.55 and 700-800 at $1.42-$1.53. Figuring a 5 weight at the high price and a 8 weight at the low end it adds $361 in value to add that 300 pounds.
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Postby Stocker Steve » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:15 am

My spring calves came off stockpiled pasture today. Most looked like furred up bears and will be way too big to go back to grass next year. be nice modern genetics.
I have some discounted grain for them. Local corn prices are very weak. COG should be less than U$S 0.60. So I have to pencil out how long to keep going, before selling them and buying back some calves for grass.
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Postby Brute 23 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:59 am

Nesikep wrote:Heaven forbid you just call them what they are so it makes sense.


You can't sound smart like that because then every one would understand. :)
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Re: Smaller cow math vs. Longer calf ownership ?

Postby Farm Fence Solutions » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:19 am

The cow man down the road always told me that the best time to sell calves was when I needed the money, no matter what they weigh, and without factoring in any futures data. So far, he's been right every time.
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Postby 1982vett » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:43 am

Stocker Steve wrote:
RanchMan90 wrote:Watching futures boards it doesn't pay much from feeder to packer stage :2cents:


Cow/calf doesn't pay much either... :(


It’s a conspiracy....... :shock:
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Postby Stocker Steve » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:04 am

Farm Fence Solutions wrote:The cow man down the road always told me that the best time to sell calves was when I needed the money, no matter what they weigh, and without factoring in any futures data. So far, he's been right every time.


But I need money all the time... :help:
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Re: Smaller cow math vs. Longer calf ownership ?

Postby Farm Fence Solutions » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:10 pm

Stocker Steve wrote:
Farm Fence Solutions wrote:The cow man down the road always told me that the best time to sell calves was when I needed the money, no matter what they weigh, and without factoring in any futures data. So far, he's been right every time.


But I need money all the time... :help:


Then give up on all this fancy schmmancy market analysis, buy a couple hundred momma cows, and run a bull year round. You can thank me later. :D
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