2nd calf heifer with no milk

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Re: 2nd calf heifer with no milk

Postby Ebenezer » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:48 am

My bet is on lack of tolerance for fescue. Feed some ground corn to get the milk flowing a bit quicker as it seems to help buffer. We had an issue years ago with drought stressed fescue in the fall and it had more impact on ewes than we had ever seen on anything in the late spring. I found some research at that time that verified the concentrations of the endophyte can be very high at that time due to stress and lower than normal growth rate/accumulation. Cows have been sorted beyond the issue.
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Re: 2nd calf heifer with no milk

Postby farmerjan » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:58 am

Agree on the fescue with the milk and the fact that the calf was several weeks early. The calf working on the udder, or you as a sub will get her to come to her milk more. The fescue may have triggered her to calve early too. It causes alot of problems in horses and sheep. I know there are people who do pretty good with it, but if I never saw another fescue plant I would be happy.
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Re: 2nd calf heifer with no milk

Postby Sd1030 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:19 pm

Thanks again for all the input. Its hard to understand how if its fescue related why i havent had more issues since my cattle are in a predominantly based fescue forage setting. But i do know it does cause / do some strange things so i can see it causing this. Just weird how some can tolerate it while others cant. Was able to gey the cow in chute today and get the calf to nurse, so its heading in the right direction thankfully. Thanks again for all the input and advice.
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Re: 2nd calf heifer with no milk

Postby Logar » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:38 pm

Time to sell her and put that money back in to a decent cow.

This one is going to do nothing but cost you money.

Keep her if you want a pet and sell her if you want to make some money in the future.

Cheers.
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Re: 2nd calf heifer with no milk

Postby talltimber » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:54 pm

Just because they are slow to come to milk once doesn't mean they will do that again. Every weather year and every calf is different. That said, if thats strike two, then do what you need to. I give them all two shots to make it happen, if I like them. The fescue thing is a problem, or not. Hard to tell. I'm ALL fescue, all the time, minus a small amount of clover interspersed, and that depends on the weather. I've not seen much of a discernable difference from one year to the next herd wide. But I have seen a difference in cows. Some can handle the fescue, some can't, and that's most generally displayed in fescue foot, rough coat, hard doing. Not lack of milk. I've got some that apparently are not handling fescue too well that have never had a milk issue.
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Re: 2nd calf heifer with no milk

Postby farmerjan » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:27 pm

Talltimber is right,different years, different conditions will cause some cows to have more or less tolerance to fescue. There is a farm here that we recently went to a bull sale, and they espouse that their cattle are on fescue and they are bred to perform on fescue. I mean it is a big promotion in their sale paper and at the sale they told how they were breeding for cattle that were able to tolerate it and perform by being fertile, having and raising and weaning nice calves. We have a fair amount of fescue in several of our rented pastures, and I can always tell the cattle that came off them when they are all penned together just by their condition etc. Some do alot better than others. My dairy cross cows do not. We have had some abortion issues and the vet attributed it the fescue pasture where they were. It doesn't make the milk with the dairy cattle near as much as other hays. If you can get her to come to milk with this work you've put into her, then when it comes time to wean the calf you need to make some real time decisions as to her status.

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Re: 2nd calf heifer with no milk

Postby talltimber » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:29 am

I might have misled, so I will clarify. My pastures are predominantly fescue and are treated as such. In the spring, and the fall with sufficient rain, I will have some amount of clover. In the summer, when the fescue quits growing, I will have some wsg's come on, some pastures more than others. I don't want to misrepresent with the ALL fescue, all the time statement when that just isn't true.
We welcome what little additional cut to the fescue we can get.
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Re: 2nd calf heifer with no milk

Postby Sd1030 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:22 am

Talltimber i understand what your saying and i am in the same boat. Spring and fall i have mostly fescue with some clover. I get the summer grasses in the pastures just as you. So im not fesuce all the time. I also understand that each year is different and alot of variables can affect how the cattle perform. I find it interesting to see how things affect the cattle differently. Im seriously considering that this cow will be culled once i wean the calf if all goes well. Two years in a row with some issues so i think its time to find one thatll work for me instead of me working for her.
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Re: 2nd calf heifer with no milk

Postby dun » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:32 pm

Sd1030 wrote:Talltimber i understand what your saying and i am in the same boat. Spring and fall i have mostly fescue with some clover. I get the summer grasses in the pastures just as you. So im not fesuce all the time. I also understand that each year is different and alot of variables can affect how the cattle perform. I find it interesting to see how things affect the cattle differently. Im seriously considering that this cow will be culled once i wean the calf if all goes well. Two years in a row with some issues so i think its time to find one thatll work for me instead of me working for her.

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