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Postby Silver » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:23 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Oh, yes. You put a sling under them. Great Idea. It is "generally" best if you keep them upright, but they are not always cooperative patients.


That's true, they aren't always super cooperative. It really helps to have a squeeze that the sides hinge at the floor, that way the shape of the chute helps to support them as well. I'm wouldn't say it's the best way, or the only way, it's just our way and it is a method that has stood the test of time.
I have considered putting a maternity style head catch and panels, but I haven't measured one up yet to see if it would fit in our "hospital" end of the barn, which is partitioned off from the rest of the barn. And I'm not convinced I want to lay on the floor straightening out crooked calves, hooking chains, or running the puller :)
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:46 pm

If you have a method of MAKING them stand, more power to you. That sounds great.
Our chute totally opens on both sides (hinged at the headlock), but I definitely would not want to messing with them IN the chute. It has been many years that we have had a hard pull. Pretty much the only thing we have helped was needing feet pulled up or backwards calf. We use a long rope & loop it around a pole & the handles & use like a come-a-long.
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Postby Silver » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:00 pm

I've never found working in the chute to be an issue. Excuse the single chain wraps in this pic, it was a very easy pull.
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I like to introduce them to each other while I check to make sure teats are open, give a shot of oxy, change old faded ear tags or replace lost ones, etc.
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Re: How long...

Postby Tbrake » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:20 am

Can someone elaborate on the sling you use to keep them from going down in the chute? Usually pull 5-7 a year on average, and seems most of them want to go down. I am by self 98% of the time, so I avoid using the haulter method some have mentioned
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Postby NEFarmwife » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:25 am

This is what we have for pulling. To the right, you can see a swinging gate (red) that we use to enclose them if needed. It has the girdle too, to keep them upright but sometimes they’ll fall quickly. As in this case.

This momma went into labor early, with twins and both were dead. This is the second set of twins we’ve lost and our only losses thus far. Makes me wonder? Both had been deceased prior to birthing. This pull was extremely hard but momma is doing good.
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Postby Silver » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:03 pm

Tbrake wrote:Can someone elaborate on the sling you use to keep them from going down in the chute? Usually pull 5-7 a year on average, and seems most of them want to go down. I am by self 98% of the time, so I avoid using the haulter method some have mentioned


We just have a big heavy rope attached to the top of the chute on one side, draped down the inside of the chute, on the floor, and up the other side. When the cow steps in it's just a matter of tightening it up a tight as possible. Right behind the front legs. I use a bar behind and work it forward far enough she can't lay down. Sometimes they want to slump down and need a little encouragement to stand up on their own. As I mentioned before, our chute is narrow at the bottom and hinges there to squeeze, so if they are squeezed up tight it also helps to hold them up.
I have to admit to pulling more calves than most folks, so it's good to have any system that works and you can work by yourself.
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Postby Dave » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:07 pm

NEFarmwife wrote:This is what we have for pulling. To the right, you can see a swinging gate (red) that we use to enclose them if needed. It has the girdle too, to keep them upright but sometimes they’ll fall quickly. As in this case.

This momma went into labor early, with twins and both were dead. This is the second set of twins we’ve lost and our only losses thus far. Makes me wonder? Both had been deceased prior to birthing. This pull was extremely hard but momma is doing good.
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I had/have basically the same set up. A self locking head gate with a gate on each side. Worked great. Allows a person to constrain the cow with access to pull the calf. Yet very simple to release if the cow goes down.
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:09 pm

Farmwife, do you have any trouble with the headlocks getting smaller at the bottom - with the cow getting her blood supply shut off?
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Postby Randi » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:49 pm

This is our maternity pen. It has a self catch headgate, and a split gate. I wish it had gates on both sides, but we have not had an issue with it. And personally, I don't have a problem with a cow laying down while we are pulling. We have never had one lay down while we were positioning the calf or getting the chains put on.

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Re: How long...

Postby NEFarmwife » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:08 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Farmwife, do you have any trouble with the headlocks getting smaller at the bottom - with the cow getting her blood supply shut off?

Not in our experience. While we’ve had some difficult pulls, rarely have they ever laid down prior to him being able to position them to stay up. It’s a legitimate question but we haven’t had a situation where it’s become dangerous for the cow.

I did watch this pull (I was at my day job and just checked in on cameras as this was happening) and the cow was still moving her head around. I suppose if she was extremely wore out and lethargic, that could have became a real issue.
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:23 pm

Randi - wow - beautiful facilities. Looks brand new. Kind of a dream come true.
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Postby Randi » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:14 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Randi - wow - beautiful facilities. Looks brand new. Kind of a dream come true.


Yes, built it Feb of 2016. We needed something bigger than the old 36x52' barn/shop/tack room that we've been using in the past. Between growing our herd, and custom calving 2-300 head we needed to grow the barn space too. The way we have it set up, we have 1 10x10 maternity pen, 4 10x10 pens and one 8x10 pen, 2 8x20 alleys and a 40x40 loafing area. We can keep around 20 head in the barn, more if we really had to. I like the loafing area for newborns, once they are all mothered up, we can put several pair there. Where we have the bale in the video, we changed that to a half of a round bale feeder, so we just have to fill the feeder every so often to feed the cows. The cows do have to be turned out for water though. It gets pretty toasty in there with 10 or more pairs, perfect for cold weather calving. Plus, if we really needed to, the old barn will hold another 7 or 8 pair.

Here's a video I took of the barn shortly after we built it.
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:31 am

Great video camera.
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Re: How long...

Postby Randi » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:52 am

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Great video camera.


Yes, we have that one and one outside in the calving pen. Sure is a sleep saver!
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:03 pm

I totally agree. I have some in both barns. Your's is awesome. Rotates!!!
I have hard wired in old barn. they are stationary, but I can zoom in. The steel building has wireless cameras and they can be pretty "iffy". I have a booster antenna ordered.
What system is yours? Is it an IP where you can view on your phone & computer?
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