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Great cow, bad mom

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:03 pm
by garnetann
Venting. Do you ever have a cow that is perfect confirmation, great milker, but dumber than a bag of hammers? Her first calf turned out to be my best steer, came through fine in spite of the sloppy way mom raised him. Not attentive, always leaving him behind. Is happening again this year. Her this year calf was left behind when he got on the other side of the fence today. We got him back through, warmed him up and put him in with mom. Put him and mom in cow jail for the evening. It is like if the calf happens to be around she takes care of it but if it is not around, she does not miss it. Last year was perfect weather, this year is the winter that will never end, so dealing with the weather is a problem this year...

Re: Great cow, bad mom

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:09 pm
by Caustic Burno
garnetann wrote:Venting. Do you ever have a cow that is perfect confirmation, great milker, but dumber than a bag of hammers? Her first calf turned out to be my best steer, came through fine in spite of the sloppy way mom raised him. Not attentive, always leaving him behind. Is happening again this year. Her this year calf was left behind when he got on the other side of the fence today. We got him back through, warmed him up and put him in with mom. Put him and mom in cow jail for the evening. It is like if the calf happens to be around she takes care of it but if it is not around, she does not miss it.


Great cow bad mother is an oxymoron.
She is not a great cow but a cull if she isn’t doing her job raising the calf.

Re: Great cow, bad mom

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:37 pm
by bird dog
Thats the kind you sell as a pair.

Re: Great cow, bad mom

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:07 pm
by Lucky
Some cows are not very attentive but still raise a good calf. I have several that I never see hunting jr up and several that grab him and go stand 100 yds away like something is up. A calf that’s big enough to follow mamma ought to be able to climb through a fence I wouldn’t worry about that too much. Just keep an eye out and try not to be overly involved unless needed.

Re: Great cow, bad mom

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:07 am
by pdfangus
Caustic Burno wrote:
garnetann wrote:Venting. Do you ever have a cow that is perfect confirmation, great milker, but dumber than a bag of hammers? Her first calf turned out to be my best steer, came through fine in spite of the sloppy way mom raised him. Not attentive, always leaving him behind. Is happening again this year. Her this year calf was left behind when he got on the other side of the fence today. We got him back through, warmed him up and put him in with mom. Put him and mom in cow jail for the evening. It is like if the calf happens to be around she takes care of it but if it is not around, she does not miss it.


Great cow bad mother is an oxymoron.
She is not a great cow but a cull if she isn’t doing her job raising the calf.


Ditto...
especially if it is a pattern with more than one calf.
might forgive a heifer for being a bit confused at first but not the second time...
i would not sell a cow that causes problems to a friend or customer either...
that is the kind that stock yards are built for...

Re: Great cow, bad mom

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:44 am
by Stocker Steve
Seems to be somewhat hereditary.
Herfords mothers up better than angus, Limis mother up better than simi, and so on.
Could be genes, could be learned, could be both.
That kind could cost you a calf in poor conditions...

Re: Great cow, bad mom

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:19 am
by Texasmark
I had a couple like that over the years. Sale barn material as soon as I discovered the problem. As with you, super "looking" cows and sad to see her go. Usually black are super moms.

Re: Great cow, bad mom

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:07 am
by W.B.
Stocker Steve. Herefords mother up better than Angus? Not my experience but then there is a difference in all cattle.

Re: Great cow, bad mom

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:11 am
by Lucky
I thought everybody bought a good ole Brangus cow to babysit for inattentive mammas.

Re: Great cow, bad mom

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:36 am
by Caustic Burno
Lucky wrote:I thought everybody bought a good ole Brangus cow to babysit for inattentive mammas.


I have some Brimmer girls that are slightly protective.

Re: Great cow, bad mom

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:35 pm
by Stocker Steve
W.B. wrote:Stocker Steve. Herefords mother up better than Angus? Not my experience but then there is a difference in all cattle.


You have a special strain of black cattle out there. I get to see lots of the old girls, hundreds per Saturday sale. after they have been trucked east to gum corn silage and alfalfa mix hay for a couple more winters. An impressive percentage of these Dakota transplants try to eat the ring man. This may save on paying a premium for a Brangus or Brimmer calf sitter, but I am getting to old to rodeo, and would not feel safe on foot in the pasture with the good mom/bad cow kind.

I have some great Dakota cow stories if you get over this way. The last breakout STARTS with the lead cow declining to be processed and almost clearing a oil field pipe panel, but a hind leg caught between the top two pipes, and then 2/3 of the rest tried to follow...

Re: Great cow, bad mom

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:26 pm
by garnetann
She is half Angus half Simmental. Today, she was being a lot more attentive. We are watching her closely. She is so good natured, so will make a decision this summer when the baby is bigger. Baby was following mom better and she was talking to him and checking to be sure he was there today. Maybe a night in cow jail helped...

Re: Great cow, bad mom

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:21 pm
by W.B.
Yes Angus are more prone to attacking mankind at calving time. They are more protective against coyotes also. We have been having a bit of weather this calving season and the S Summit daughters will go any where you want and never take a bite out of you. Easier to handle than A Hereford because they will follow a calf.

Re: Great cow, bad mom

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:56 pm
by Silver
There can be no denying that good mommas are where you find them.

Re: Great cow, bad mom

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:45 am
by Ebenezer
Sure seem to be a lot of Angus tall tales here. Pick what you want, breed for it. If your cows cannot tell the difference in you and a coyote then it is not the cow's problem.