Culling Poor Hair Coat Heifers ?

Got a calving or breeding question? Get an answer.
Angus Rocks
Cowhand
Cowhand
Posts: 46
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:08 pm
Location: Ks

Re: Culling Poor Hair Coat Heifers ?

Post by Angus Rocks » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:39 pm

Texas bred are you saying that you would rather spend money on feed, wormers, and medicines rather then genetics that will do the job?

Have read discussions that some think that hair coat depends how much muscling a critter has



User avatar
NEFarmwife
Rancher
Rancher
Posts: 807
Joined: Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:33 pm
Location: "The Good Life"
Has thanked: 28 times
Been thanked: 132 times

Re: Culling Poor Hair Coat Heifers ?

Post by NEFarmwife » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:10 am

Our calving intervals wouldn’t suggest there is a problem with poor coat heifers. But for what it’s worth, we sync them and AI. If they don’t stick to AI, our bull gets them the next heat.

I’ll be mindful of this suggestion when we breed again in spring and take note, so I can speak with more accuracy.

Stocker Steve
GURU
GURU
Posts: 8651
Joined: Mon May 02, 2005 8:28 am
Location: Central Minnesota
Has thanked: 47 times
Been thanked: 42 times

Re: Culling Poor Hair Coat Heifers ?

Post by Stocker Steve » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:07 am

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Most ALL my cattle still have splotchie winter hair. My cattle grow lots of hair and takes quite a while for them to shed out. I have not and never would cull on hair coat. I would not have a herd left!!!


Coats on two year olds look good now, but still a few yearlings with alot of redish fuzz. They tend to be larger, and have a higher percentage of simi. So have to be careful not to discriminate against tht breed :cowboy:
Stocker Steve

Dsteim
Cowhand
Cowhand
Posts: 123
Joined: Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:46 pm
Location: Austin Texas

Re: Culling Poor Hair Coat Heifers ?

Post by Dsteim » Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:26 pm

I read an article about that. I can't remember if it was by Jan Bonsma or one of his students. I can't find the article or I'd link it. I think its a fairly heritable trait, but I don't think its typically a criteria for replacements. I read the article a while back but if I'm remembering correctly how the calf sheds her first winter coat is an indicator for fertility.

Ebenezer
GURU
GURU
Posts: 1469
Joined: Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:46 am
Location: Piedmont of SC
Has thanked: 89 times
Been thanked: 173 times

Re: Culling Poor Hair Coat Heifers ?

Post by Ebenezer » Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:33 pm

Dsteim wrote:I read an article about that. I can't remember if it was by Jan Bonsma or one of his students. I can't find the article or I'd link it. I think its a fairly heritable trait, but I don't think its typically a criteria for replacements. I read the article a while back but if I'm remembering correctly how the calf sheds her first winter coat is an indicator for fertility.

Bonsma was big on early shedding and like a sheen.

User avatar
TexasBred
Mentor
Mentor
Posts: 29908
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:18 pm
Location: Heart of Texas
Has thanked: 45 times
Been thanked: 47 times

Re: Culling Poor Hair Coat Heifers ?

Post by TexasBred » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:13 am

Angus Rocks wrote:Texas bred are you saying that you would rather spend money on feed, wormers, and medicines rather then genetics that will do the job?

Have read discussions that some think that hair coat depends how much muscling a critter has

Angus they get nothing that the rest of the cattle dont' get so there is no added expense. I think I also said the occasional cow that does not shed also raises a very good calf. I refuse to breed for "short shiny hair". I'll let you have that one. ;-)
A dung beetle walks into a bar, looks around and says "Is this stool taken"????

elkwc
GURU
GURU
Posts: 1219
Joined: Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:21 pm
Has thanked: 88 times
Been thanked: 7 times

Re: Culling Poor Hair Coat Heifers ?

Post by elkwc » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:12 pm

TexasBred wrote:
Angus Rocks wrote:Texas bred are you saying that you would rather spend money on feed, wormers, and medicines rather then genetics that will do the job?

Have read discussions that some think that hair coat depends how much muscling a critter has

Angus they get nothing that the rest of the cattle dont' get so there is no added expense. I think I also said the occasional cow that does not shed also raises a very good calf. I refuse to breed for "short shiny hair". I'll let you have that one. ;-)


I'm with you on that Texas Bred. We have an old cow that will likely go this fall. She is 15-16 y/o. Her coat is always a little rough. When I first started going down there I thought she is one to cull. That was 5 years ago. She has raised and weaned 5 calves that have been at the top of the crop every year. After the 2nd year I decided she could stay as long as she kept bringing in the scale mashers. We have shiny coated cows that bring in calves 50 lbs lighter.

User avatar
shaz
GURU
GURU
Posts: 1477
Joined: Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:04 pm
Location: Middle Tn
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 16 times

Re: Culling Poor Hair Coat Heifers ?

Post by shaz » Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:43 pm

Greg Judy said "a rough coat cow is not performing in it's environment". I wonder if the buyers at the sale barn are really biased against it?
"The Pope? How many divisions does he have?" Joseph Stalin

Stocker Steve
GURU
GURU
Posts: 8651
Joined: Mon May 02, 2005 8:28 am
Location: Central Minnesota
Has thanked: 47 times
Been thanked: 42 times

Re: Culling Poor Hair Coat Heifers ?

Post by Stocker Steve » Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:12 pm

shaz wrote:Greg Judy said "a rough coat cow is not performing in it's environment". I wonder if the buyers at the sale barn are really biased against it?


Not the calf buyers. Putting them on a feedlot ration is usually a cure.
Stocker Steve

Ebenezer
GURU
GURU
Posts: 1469
Joined: Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:46 am
Location: Piedmont of SC
Has thanked: 89 times
Been thanked: 173 times

Re: Culling Poor Hair Coat Heifers ?

Post by Ebenezer » Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:21 pm

And a fluffy calf looks fatter. Like the show folks know. Is it hair or is it muscle? Only the fitter know! :tiphat:

User avatar
TexasBred
Mentor
Mentor
Posts: 29908
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:18 pm
Location: Heart of Texas
Has thanked: 45 times
Been thanked: 47 times

Re: Culling Poor Hair Coat Heifers ?

Post by TexasBred » Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:50 pm

Ebenezer wrote:And a fluffy calf looks fatter. Like the show folks know. Is it hair or is it muscle? Only the fitter know! :tiphat:

Never buy calves in the winter. :lol: :lol:
A dung beetle walks into a bar, looks around and says "Is this stool taken"????

User avatar
greatgerts
GURU
GURU
Posts: 1197
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:25 pm
Location: De Soto MO
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 8 times
Contact:

Re: Culling Poor Hair Coat Heifers ?

Post by greatgerts » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:19 am

Ebenezer wrote:And a fluffy calf looks fatter. Like the show folks know. Is it hair or is it muscle? Only the fitter know! :tiphat:


Go watch them at the wash rack. That can help you determine if it is hair or muscle.

User avatar
Son of Butch
GURU
GURU
Posts: 5762
Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:44 pm
Location: Frost Bite Falls, Minnesota
Has thanked: 54 times
Been thanked: 130 times

Re: Culling Poor Hair Coat Heifers ?

Post by Son of Butch » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:27 am

greatgerts wrote:
Ebenezer wrote:And a fluffy calf looks fatter. Like the show folks know. Is it hair or is it muscle? Only the fitter know! :tiphat:


Go watch them at the wash rack. That can help you determine if it is hair or muscle.

Why should I have to? The judging officials don't and they're paid to do the placings.

User avatar
greatgerts
GURU
GURU
Posts: 1197
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:25 pm
Location: De Soto MO
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 8 times
Contact:

Re: Culling Poor Hair Coat Heifers ?

Post by greatgerts » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:30 am

Son of Butch wrote:
greatgerts wrote:
Ebenezer wrote:And a fluffy calf looks fatter. Like the show folks know. Is it hair or is it muscle? Only the fitter know! :tiphat:


Go watch them at the wash rack. That can help you determine if it is hair or muscle.

Why should I have to? The judging officials don't and they're paid to do the placings.


One reason that we show slick haired. You can't hide behind the hair.

Ebenezer
GURU
GURU
Posts: 1469
Joined: Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:46 am
Location: Piedmont of SC
Has thanked: 89 times
Been thanked: 173 times

Re: Culling Poor Hair Coat Heifers ?

Post by Ebenezer » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:48 pm

greatgerts wrote:
Ebenezer wrote:And a fluffy calf looks fatter. Like the show folks know. Is it hair or is it muscle? Only the fitter know! :tiphat:


Go watch them at the wash rack. That can help you determine if it is hair or muscle.

Like a fellow told me one time: two worst things that ever happened to American agriculture: the moldboard plow and livestock shows. :shock:

Post Reply