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Dead calf ? Suggestions?

Postby Lrj505 » Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:37 pm

Bought a young 4ish old cow 3 months ago from sale barn for $750 3rd trimester pregnant. Cow was skinny , she gained weight and had the calf. Calf seemed weak and had sucken blueish eyes. Today the calf died , 2nd day. I am unsure if I should sell her? Give her antibiotics and re breed her? Also noticed her teats were large. I have included pics. Any advice ?
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Re: Dead calf ? Suggestions?

Postby kenny thomas » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:32 pm

No need to give her antibiotics unless there is an issue. At the very least let her mend up and gain some weight before you sell. Teats are big but a strong calf should have sucked ok.
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Re: Dead calf ? Suggestions?

Postby Lrj505 » Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:17 pm

Would you keep her or sell ?
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Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:32 pm

Sell.
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Postby True Grit Farms » Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:13 pm

Sell, no excuses and no second chances.
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Re: Dead calf ? Suggestions?

Postby Lazy M » Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:18 pm

Tough call. If you sell you'll prob be out $200, but if you wait and let her get bred you'll wait have to wait almost 2 years before you could potentially wean a calf and make anything at all from her. I'd prob wait a couple weeks to a month, let her dry up a bit and then take your lumps and sell her. Or you could try to graft a nurse calf on her if you can locate one and you have the time,
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Re: Dead calf ? Suggestions?

Postby farmerjan » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:03 pm

Either find a calf to graft on her and salvage the lactation; or let her dry up and sell her. Bred cows are fairly cheap, so you cannot justify keeping her, rebreeding her and waiting for another calf that as stated by @Lazy M, you won't be selling for at least 18 to 24 months from now. The sad thing is, buying her late trimester, close to calving, she may not have gotten enough decent feed and the calf just didn't have the nutrition in the womb, to thrive when it was born. Not really her fault, but bred cows are just too cheap to justify putting much into her. I'd be putting a calf on her if she was mine, then letting her raise it, get bred back and go from there.
Her colostrum may not have had any "oomp" to it. Have seen it in dairy cattle, they used to test the colostrum with a meter, and some just didn't have any good anti-bodies in it. But the calf may just not have had much of a chance if he'd been malnourished in utero.
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Re: Dead calf ? Suggestions?

Postby Son of Butch » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:31 am

IF you are going to continue to buy malnourished pg cows make sure you give the calf a shot of BO-SE at birth.
IF you want to rebreed her forget the antibiotics and get her on a good mineral program.
But I'd suggest you cut your losses and send her to market as a slaughter cow.
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Re: Dead calf ? Suggestions?

Postby wbvs58 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:26 am

This could well be a case of BVD. A weak PI calf especially when unknown history from a salebarn cow. The calf could have been infected in utero from the cow catching BVD while about 3 mths pregnant, or the cow could be a PI in which case she would always have a PI calf. To know, take an ear notch from the calf and the cow and have it tested. If you don't want to do that then unload her which ever way you feel morally bound.

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Re: Dead calf ? Suggestions?

Postby Lrj505 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:09 am

Bred cows are bringing .47-.52 cents (solid mouths) 3-6 months preg around here. Pairs with bull calf’s 200 pounds bringing $950-$1050. I am thinking a pair with bull calf is actually cheaper. I can sell bull calf in 5 months for $800 Ish.
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Re: Dead calf ? Suggestions?

Postby holm25 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:59 am

Ship her... I’d personally do so before I put too much into feeding... Once that bag recedes in a week or two...
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Re: Dead calf ? Suggestions?

Postby Lrj505 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:31 am

From now on if I buy a sale barn cow. What shots should I give them ? I give lots of hay and loose minerals. So nutrition is great.
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Re: Dead calf ? Suggestions?

Postby bird dog » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:43 pm

I don't guess you ever saw the calf nurse? Either way she is a sell Those teats will only get bigger next year.
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Re: Dead calf ? Suggestions?

Postby wbvs58 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:29 pm

I am surprised that there has not been any comment especially from the original poster on my suggestion of BVD. I believe it is a real possibility it this situation. Is it a case of burying your heads in the sand thinking that it wouldn't happen to me even though you buy cheap bred cows of unknown origins from salebarns????

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Re: Dead calf ? Suggestions?

Postby Katpau » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:52 pm

I agree with wbvs58. There is no way I would keep that cow without testing her for BVD! The original description of the calf sounds like BVD is a real possibility. It only costs a few dollars to send in an ear notch for testing at most local Ag schools. The cow may have infected the calf in utero, but be past the infectious stage herself. Calves that survive until birth, are often weak. Some calves will even appear normal, but be persistently infected (PI). Those calves carry the virus, but may not be affected by it. They can, however, pass it on to others throughout their lives. I would make sure that cow is not a PI cow. That could be one of the reasons she was at the sale barn. Those animals often do poorly throughout their lives. If she tests clean, then you can decide whether you want to give her another chance.
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