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Aaron - - Canadian Corn and Beans ?

Postby Stocker Steve » Sat May 13, 2017 11:57 am

Reported today that Canadian prairies are adding 2 growing days per decade, plus more rain, with Manitoba growing over 7 million acres of soy beans this year! What is up around you Aaron?
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Postby Supa Dexta » Sat May 13, 2017 12:16 pm

Grow lots of both around here, but Ill still take a couple more nice days if they're giving them out.

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Re: Aaron - - Canadian Corn and Beans ?

Postby Aaron » Sat May 13, 2017 1:46 pm

Hauling the little white cart around the fields the last couple of days. Cereal seeding is done and guys are just waiting a little longer for the corn, beans and grass seed to go in - soil is still cold in spots. Can have 'er all boys. Raise more grain and race the price to the bottom. I'll just keep buying whole oats for feed at $0.05/lb. and let the guy raising them take the loss. Cows is where it's at - too much work for a grain farmer! #cowscansurviveahardfrost
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Postby Aaron » Sat May 13, 2017 2:27 pm

:D Naw. That just tells you which ones work for themselves and which ones work for FCC. :D
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Postby Stocker Steve » Sat May 13, 2017 3:43 pm

Minnesota is pushing for a return of livestock to the land, but the grain guys do not want to give up the corn / beans / Cancun rotation.
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Postby Stocker Steve » Sat May 13, 2017 3:48 pm

The most interesting thing is that technology has allowed big yield increases at reduced profits (for the US farmers).
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Postby Nesikep » Sat May 13, 2017 10:22 pm

That's the point I don't get.. all these advances everywhere haven't REALLY paid off for the farmer, yet they all tout the great benefits of it.. 60 ft seed drills, 600 hp tractors, etc, and at the end they're still trying to make ends meet

So who's getting the benefit? At $5 a loaf of bread it's not the consumer either

I particularly love it when the price of bread goes up $1 a loaf because wheat doubled in price.. but there's still only $.05 worth in a loaf.
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Postby Aaron » Sat May 13, 2017 10:46 pm

Funny thing is here you have guys clearing and tiling land to put crops in and have $2500-3000 invested in land 'improvement' alone and they think grain cropping is the way to go. One bad year and they will be bankrupt. But I guess it doesn't matter because our federal and provincial governments are going to bankrupt themselves anyways. The spending promises from Ontario alone are beyond insanity. Should put a pole in the yard and start flying the Stars and Stripes - best be prepared for the inevitable.
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Re: Aaron - - Canadian Corn and Beans ?

Postby Stocker Steve » Sun May 14, 2017 3:22 am

Oats was profitable if you had the right buyer for the straw, but with the small diaries going out that is not possible in many areas.
Soybeans is a sleeper if you bale graze (to get K up) and have a way to deal with rocks. I really like the seedbed it creates for the following forage mix.
I thought about tile, but timothy and reed canary seed are cheaper.
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Postby Stocker Steve » Sun May 14, 2017 3:27 am

Nesikep wrote:That's the point I don't get.. all these advances everywhere haven't REALLY paid off for the farmer, yet they all tout the great benefits of it...


Technology could pay off with $7 commodity corn, but at the current prices the folks who invested recently are making less/losing more per acre than more traditional farmers. This has all been documented in FinBin data.

If technology allows you to run more acres, but you are losing $ on each acre, then more acres means...
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Postby Stocker Steve » Sun May 14, 2017 5:31 am

Aaron wrote:Funny thing is here you have guys clearing and tiling land to put crops in and have $2500-3000 invested in land 'improvement' alone and they think grain cropping is the way to go. One bad year and they will be bankrupt.


We have had 3 high yield / poor profit grain years in a row. One local cashed in his life insurance to put a crop in this spring.

Equity lending is coming back. Banks here talk tough - - but accept interest only, or term out some debt to extend and pretend.
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Postby Nesikep » Sun May 14, 2017 10:06 am

I'm just saying that collectively, we've all kept sharpening our pencils, which has enabled lower prices and lower profits... People used to be able to make a living (albeit slim) on a quarter section, rural towns did well, because there were people there, all with their little plot of land... Story is the same around the world.
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Postby Stocker Steve » Sun May 14, 2017 12:33 pm

Nesikep wrote:People used to be able to make a living (albeit slim) on a quarter section, rural towns did well, because there were people there, all with their little plot of land...


Consolidation is a big trend for production ag - - trying to make U$S 25 to 50 per acre on thousands of acres by buying inputs by semi load from out of the area, running 5,000 to 10,000 cows in a herd, beginning farmer loans to build new confinement buildings...

The local food focus is a positive trends. We are saturated with micro breweries, but now there are a number of on farm distilleries starting up. I went to a local tasting session to be a good neighbor. :nod: Nesikep - - is BC doing this yet?
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Re: Aaron - - Canadian Corn and Beans ?

Postby Clodhopper » Sun May 14, 2017 5:32 pm

Stocker Steve wrote:
Nesikep wrote:That's the point I don't get.. all these advances everywhere haven't REALLY paid off for the farmer, yet they all tout the great benefits of it...


Technology could pay off with $7 commodity corn, but at the current prices the folks who invested recently are making less/losing more per acre than more traditional farmers. This has all been documented in FinBin data.

If technology allows you to run more acres, but you are losing $ on each acre, then more acres means...

Don't worry, they make up for it on volume! :dunce:
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