Aaron - - Canadian Corn and Beans ?

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Re: Aaron - - Canadian Corn and Beans ?

Postby Clodhopper » Sun May 14, 2017 5:38 pm

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Aaron wrote:Funny thing is here you have guys clearing and tiling land to put crops in and have $2500-3000 invested in land 'improvement' alone and they think grain cropping is the way to go. One bad year and they will be bankrupt.


We have had 3 high yield / poor profit grain years in a row. One local cashed in his life insurance to put a crop in this spring.

Equity lending is coming back. Banks here talk tough - - but accept interest only, or term out some debt to extend and pretend.

When I went to my bank to pay the operating loan in March, my banker asked me if I just wanted to pay the interest or what. You could of knocked me over with a feather! I said no, I want to pay the whole thing. Apparently, paying interest only must be the trend this year. I can't imagine having more than one years' operating money out there (by choice), but my entire line of equipment probably wouldn't buy a new 45 foot Draper head either. I guess I can live with winning ugly instead of losing pretty.
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Re: Aaron - - Canadian Corn and Beans ?

Postby Nesikep » Sun May 14, 2017 7:22 pm

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Nesikep wrote:People used to be able to make a living (albeit slim) on a quarter section, rural towns did well, because there were people there, all with their little plot of land...


Consolidation is a big trend for production ag - - trying to make U$S 25 to 50 per acre on thousands of acres by buying inputs by semi load from out of the area, running 5,000 to 10,000 cows in a herd, beginning farmer loans to build new confinement buildings...

The local food focus is a positive trends. We are saturated with micro breweries, but now there are a number of on farm distilleries starting up. I went to a local tasting session to be a good neighbor. :nod: Nesikep - - is BC doing this yet?

Lots of microbreweries here too, though not quite local.. we do have a lot of wineries, and a local one (Fort Berens)

Little guys are getting swallowed up, the "eat local" is maybe a bit of a niche.. but Blue Goose has spent about $50 million on buying ranches in my area. they like the bigger ones of course, I have no idea where they're getting the capital for investment, but they own the only federally inspected slaughterhouse in BC.. they have about 6 ranches or so of 600 head and up.. just spent $5.5M on another one a few weeks ago.
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Re: Aaron - - Canadian Corn and Beans ?

Postby Aaron » Sun May 14, 2017 10:13 pm

Nesikep wrote:
Stocker Steve wrote:
Nesikep wrote:People used to be able to make a living (albeit slim) on a quarter section, rural towns did well, because there were people there, all with their little plot of land...


Consolidation is a big trend for production ag - - trying to make U$S 25 to 50 per acre on thousands of acres by buying inputs by semi load from out of the area, running 5,000 to 10,000 cows in a herd, beginning farmer loans to build new confinement buildings...

The local food focus is a positive trends. We are saturated with micro breweries, but now there are a number of on farm distilleries starting up. I went to a local tasting session to be a good neighbor. :nod: Nesikep - - is BC doing this yet?

Lots of microbreweries here too, though not quite local.. we do have a lot of wineries, and a local one (Fort Berens)

Little guys are getting swallowed up, the "eat local" is maybe a bit of a niche.. but Blue Goose has spent about $50 million on buying ranches in my area. they like the bigger ones of course, I have no idea where they're getting the capital for investment, but they own the only federally inspected slaughterhouse in BC.. they have about 6 ranches or so of 600 head and up.. just spent $5.5M on another one a few weeks ago.


Everybody declared eat local as the saving grace here until they learned that consumers want it at the same price in the store. Lots of guys got sucked into feeding small groups of cattle, hoping to cash in. Until they learned that people want payment plans, paying by credit card and not paying at all. Some guys got burnt on one animal and learned their lesson and some just continue to be a beacon for financial punishment. I only feed single animals for myself and family and I name the price or the animal can be nice well go to the auction mart. I lose enough money on the ones that die, sure not going to lose on the ones that are alive.
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Re: Aaron - - Canadian Corn and Beans ?

Postby Stocker Steve » Sun May 14, 2017 10:21 pm

Looks like distilling is the way to go. Whisky steaks anyone?
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Re: Aaron - - Canadian Corn and Beans ?

Postby Nesikep » Mon May 15, 2017 1:14 am

Aaron wrote:
Nesikep wrote:
Stocker Steve wrote:
Consolidation is a big trend for production ag - - trying to make U$S 25 to 50 per acre on thousands of acres by buying inputs by semi load from out of the area, running 5,000 to 10,000 cows in a herd, beginning farmer loans to build new confinement buildings...

The local food focus is a positive trends. We are saturated with micro breweries, but now there are a number of on farm distilleries starting up. I went to a local tasting session to be a good neighbor. :nod: Nesikep - - is BC doing this yet?

Lots of microbreweries here too, though not quite local.. we do have a lot of wineries, and a local one (Fort Berens)

Little guys are getting swallowed up, the "eat local" is maybe a bit of a niche.. but Blue Goose has spent about $50 million on buying ranches in my area. they like the bigger ones of course, I have no idea where they're getting the capital for investment, but they own the only federally inspected slaughterhouse in BC.. they have about 6 ranches or so of 600 head and up.. just spent $5.5M on another one a few weeks ago.


Everybody declared eat local as the saving grace here until they learned that consumers want it at the same price in the store. Lots of guys got sucked into feeding small groups of cattle, hoping to cash in. Until they learned that people want payment plans, paying by credit card and not paying at all. Some guys got burnt on one animal and learned their lesson and some just continue to be a beacon for financial punishment. I only feed single animals for myself and family and I name the price or the animal can be nice well go to the auction mart. I lose enough money on the ones that die, sure not going to lose on the ones that are alive.


Yup, I'd rather sell them at a loss at the sale barn than put a pile of work, feed, blood, sweat and tears into them to sell them to a bunch of ingrates.. Preorder, and prepay is the new thing here
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