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Re: Lick Wheel Liquid Feed

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:47 am
by callmefence
Used to have a trail cam pic of a bunch of hogs circling one of those wheel feeders. A couple on each wheel. And the rest crawling all over the thing.

The product is usually good quality. But I still prefer a good hard cooked tub.
Pvm is the best IMO.

Re: Lick Wheel Liquid Feed

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:48 am
by Brute 23
callmefence wrote:Used to have a trail cam pic of a bunch of hogs circling one of those wheel feeders. A couple on each wheel. And the rest crawling all over the thing.

The product is usually good quality. But I still prefer a good hard cooked tub.
Pvm is the best IMO.


That's interesting. My complaint against the liquid feed has always been the limiter sucks. They eat way more than the seller says. They always say you need to feed a couple to get them use to it then they will slow down. That doesn't help me any because I will be broke by then.

I'll feed cooked tubs or ground feed before liquid feed.

Re: Lick Wheel Liquid Feed

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:57 pm
by TexasBred
Brute 23 wrote:
callmefence wrote:Used to have a trail cam pic of a bunch of hogs circling one of those wheel feeders. A couple on each wheel. And the rest crawling all over the thing.

The product is usually good quality. But I still prefer a good hard cooked tub.
Pvm is the best IMO.


That's interesting. My complaint against the liquid feed has always been the limiter sucks. They eat way more than the seller says. They always say you need to feed a couple to get them use to it then they will slow down. That doesn't help me any because I will be broke by then.

I'll feed cooked tubs or ground feed before liquid feed.

Most don't really have a limiter as such. They'll manipulate the Ph as well as the sweet/sour part of the mix a little bit on some of them but primarily it's intended to more or less "balance" the other part of the ration. Low quality hay/grazing will always mean higher consumption of hte liquid feed. Higher quality hay/grazing or some other form of supplementation and they sometimes will hardly touch the liquid.

Re: Lick Wheel Liquid Feed

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:48 pm
by Brute 23
TexasBred wrote:
Brute 23 wrote:
callmefence wrote:Used to have a trail cam pic of a bunch of hogs circling one of those wheel feeders. A couple on each wheel. And the rest crawling all over the thing.

The product is usually good quality. But I still prefer a good hard cooked tub.
Pvm is the best IMO.


That's interesting. My complaint against the liquid feed has always been the limiter sucks. They eat way more than the seller says. They always say you need to feed a couple to get them use to it then they will slow down. That doesn't help me any because I will be broke by then.

I'll feed cooked tubs or ground feed before liquid feed.

Most don't really have a limiter as such. They'll manipulate the Ph as well as the sweet/sour part of the mix a little bit on some of them but primarily it's intended to more or less "balance" the other part of the ration. Low quality hay/grazing will always mean higher consumption of hte liquid feed. Higher quality hay/grazing or some other form of supplementation and they sometimes will hardly touch the liquid.


That stuff is like 20%+ protein isn't it? Hard to find stuff growing in the pasture that's better than that. If that was the case you wouldn't need it. :)

Re: Lick Wheel Liquid Feed

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:53 pm
by SmokinM
Consumption is based on an annual cycle. Leave it out free choice 12mths a year and bet the rate is pretty close to dead on same as minerals. Sometimes they eat a like crazy sometimes they walk right by but you have to stick with it to see those results. They have been missing out on it so when you first start it they do hit it hard. After they balance themselves it slows way down. I have had a tank last two weeks and had a tank last over 2 months, same group of cows same feed.

Re: Lick Wheel Liquid Feed

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:10 pm
by LimoX
Isn't the real advantage to the tubs, just the shear fact that you don't have the time consumed in bringing them cake? Not sure but if you put a pencil to it I think it is cheaper to feed cubes(cake). I feed lick tanks, just because of the amount of time I have available and I can't get cake to them everyday.

Re: Lick Wheel Liquid Feed

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:56 pm
by TexasBred
SmokinM wrote:Consumption is based on an annual cycle. Leave it out free choice 12mths a year and bet the rate is pretty close to dead on same as minerals. Sometimes they eat a like crazy sometimes they walk right by but you have to stick with it to see those results. They have been missing out on it so when you first start it they do hit it hard. After they balance themselves it slows way down. I have had a tank last two weeks and had a tank last over 2 months, same group of cows same feed.



4 oz a day you're saying???

Re: Lick Wheel Liquid Feed

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:00 pm
by TexasBred
LimoX wrote:Isn't the real advantage to the tubs, just the shear fact that you don't have the time consumed in bringing them cake? Not sure but if you put a pencil to it I think it is cheaper to feed cubes(cake). I feed lick tanks, just because of the amount of time I have available and I can't get cake to them everyday.

Very true tubs and lick tanks have the "convenience" factor built in and depending on the brand are excellent products especially if you're cattle really need the supplementation but your schedule just doesn't allow you time to manually do it everyday.

Re: Lick Wheel Liquid Feed

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:08 pm
by SmokinM
TexasBred wrote:
SmokinM wrote:Consumption is based on an annual cycle. Leave it out free choice 12mths a year and bet the rate is pretty close to dead on same as minerals. Sometimes they eat a like crazy sometimes they walk right by but you have to stick with it to see those results. They have been missing out on it so when you first start it they do hit it hard. After they balance themselves it slows way down. I have had a tank last two weeks and had a tank last over 2 months, same group of cows same feed.



4 oz a day you're saying???


No I think the liquid feed most say to figure 1.5-2 lbs. a day. Sorry I wrote that kind of confusing. My point was to figure your numbers is to take that rate time 365 to figure what it costs you to feed. Minerals at 4oz. a day on what I feed (wind & rain)is pretty much dead on, but they eat none some days and a lot other days but the average is correct. My experience with liquid feed is similar.

Clear as mud right?

I have seen a lot of guys that don't use minerals put them out, all they hear is 4 oz. a day, 20 cows eat a bag in 24 hrs. They go darn 4oz. a day my azz and quit feeding it but don't get their cows are deficient in something obviously. Just say be nice I can't afford to feed that. If they stuck with it the cows catch up and slow way down. Same is true on the liquid feed. Tubs in my experience don't show it as bad because if they are the cooked hard ones they physically can't eat as much. It's like trying to eat 100 lollipops in a day you just get tired of licking. All that being said you do pay a premium for the convenience of liquid feed and depending on your setup can replace that nutrition cheaper.

Re: Lick Wheel Liquid Feed

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:23 am
by Stocker Steve
xbredcattle wrote:Does anyone utilize liquid feed through the winter as a substitute for rye grass?
If so, what luck have you had with it - advantage/disadvantages


Used to be widely used to supplement dairy cows via lick tank, but they found they could not afford it.

Some folks pour liquid on low quality hay bales to get beef cows to eat it. Easier n cheaper n cleaner to shake on 5 gallons of grain. Home raised oats works particularly well since it tends to slip and slid down into the hay.

I know of no advantage from liquid feed :nod: unless you want to blend it in to reduce dust in a grain mix.

Re: Lick Wheel Liquid Feed

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:51 pm
by TexasBred
It would work in a TMR and more especially in dairy rations. But there are higher quality sources of protein and energy available.

Re: Lick Wheel Liquid Feed

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:37 pm
by wacocowboy
skyhightree1 wrote:
TexasBred wrote:
xbredcattle wrote:
Thanks - I'm unable to plant ryegrass on this new lease property

All my cows calve in November. I'll have plenty of quality hay but want additional protein source - think I'll go with the liquid feed !!!

I'm assuming you'll have plenty of hay instead of the good nutritious rye grass. If so it should work fine for you. Put out one lick tank for every 25 cows and they should be fine. Most around here use the larger tanks (250 gallons I think) and each has 4 lick wheels. Move them everytime they get empty or you'll end up with the ground wallowed out around them and holding water and muck.


Exactly... However, I have been thinking of installing concrete feeding pads in a feeding area so that way I wont have to keep fixing pastures year after year you just have to make it big enough for them to stand completely on.


I made a pad out of crushed limestone and I feed my hay and have my syrup tank on it no problem