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Ration question

Postby TLM1988 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:04 am

I have 6 steers that average 4-450. I have been feeding a 14% commodity feed at 7 lbs/head a day. Free choice mineral and are on a 1.5 acre lot with grass. Had the calves for 2 months and I don't know that there gaining (no scale to know for sure). I feel that I'm doing somthing wrong in my feed rations. Any advice would be appreciated greatly. This is my first jab at backgrounding

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Re: Ration question

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:09 pm

Are they eating all you are giving them? Would they eat more grain? You are at less than 2% of their body weight. They can be eating 3%. So if they are now 500#, that would be twice as much as you are feeding.
Have they been de-wormed? Calves are very susceptible to heavy worm load and they won't grow.
Are you trying to background them or finish them? Two different things. In my mind, backgrounding you are trying to grow frame and put on a little weight (to me that is a waste of time). Finishing, you want to gain as much weight/daily as possible. To me, time is money.
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Re: Ration question

Postby turklilley » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:09 pm

Get a beef weight tape. While not totally accurate, they can give you an idea how much weight they are gaining.

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Re: Ration question

Postby TLM1988 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:08 am

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Are they eating all you are giving them? Would they eat more grain? You are at less than 2% of their body weight. They can be eating 3%. So if they are now 500#, that would be twice as much as you are feeding.
Have they been de-wormed? Calves are very susceptible to heavy worm load and they won't grow.
Are you trying to background them or finish them? Two different things. In my mind, backgrounding you are trying to grow frame and put on a little weight (to me that is a waste of time). Finishing, you want to gain as much weight/daily as possible. To me, time is money.

I wormed them when I received them, going on 2 1/2 months. Should I worm again? I feel like they would eat more if I put more on them. They demolish the ration I'm giving them now. My initial goal was to take them to 850-900.. I have 2 that are sold for freezer beef.. the other 4 I'm not sure how far I will take them.. guess it depends on how the market goes

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Re: Ration question

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:10 am

I would definitely feed more. Increase every 7 days as long as they clean it up.
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Re: Ration question

Postby Son of Butch » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:48 am

You said 1.5 acre 'lot with grass' rather than saying pasture, which leads me to think you might want to have some
free choice hay available to them too.
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Re: Ration question

Postby sim.-ang.king » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:51 am

At their weight and your feed I would have them on full feed with some hay thrown out. Keep it that way till they reach 650.
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Re: Ration question

Postby TLM1988 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 1:26 pm

sim.-ang.king wrote:At their weight and your feed I would have them on full feed with some hay thrown out. Keep it that way till they reach 650.

Then sell? Or put em out to grass

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Re: Ration question

Postby sim.-ang.king » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:00 pm

Either sell or start adding corn and get the feed down to 12% pro, and about 15 pounds a day with free choice hay.
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Re: Ration question

Postby TexasBred » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:21 pm

TLM1988 wrote:I have 6 steers that average 4-450. I have been feeding a 14% commodity feed at 7 lbs/head a day. Free choice mineral and are on a 1.5 acre lot with grass. Had the calves for 2 months and I don't know that there gaining (no scale to know for sure). I feel that I'm doing somthing wrong in my feed rations. Any advice would be appreciated greatly. This is my first jab at backgrounding

What is your definition of a commodity feed and what feed ingredients are in it??
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Re: Ration question

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:04 pm

TB - glad you jumped in on this.
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Re: Ration question

Postby ddd75 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:00 am

are the gentle and calm? stressed calves won't gain weight.. even if 1 is stressed the rest will be as well.

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Re: Ration question

Postby TLM1988 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:06 am

TexasBred wrote:
TLM1988 wrote:I have 6 steers that average 4-450. I have been feeding a 14% commodity feed at 7 lbs/head a day. Free choice mineral and are on a 1.5 acre lot with grass. Had the calves for 2 months and I don't know that there gaining (no scale to know for sure). I feel that I'm doing somthing wrong in my feed rations. Any advice would be appreciated greatly. This is my first jab at backgrounding

What is your definition of a commodity feed and what feed ingredients are in it??

It's a 14% grower blend
14% crude protein
3% crude fat
28% crude fiber
.50% calcium
.30% phosphorus
1% phosphorus

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Re: Ration question

Postby TLM1988 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:08 am

ddd75 wrote:are the gentle and calm? stressed calves won't gain weight.. even if 1 is stressed the rest will be as well.

They are calm as can be can

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Re: Ration question

Postby ez14. » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:00 pm

TLM1988 wrote:
TexasBred wrote:
TLM1988 wrote:I have 6 steers that average 4-450. I have been feeding a 14% commodity feed at 7 lbs/head a day. Free choice mineral and are on a 1.5 acre lot with grass. Had the calves for 2 months and I don't know that there gaining (no scale to know for sure). I feel that I'm doing somthing wrong in my feed rations. Any advice would be appreciated greatly. This is my first jab at backgrounding

What is your definition of a commodity feed and what feed ingredients are in it??

It's a 14% grower blend
14% crude protein
3% crude fat
28% crude fiber
.50% calcium
.30% phosphorus
1% phosphorus
ummm I don't think that was his question