As Vermont's Milk Industry Continues To Free-Fall, Canadian Dairies Are Thriving

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Re: As Vermont's Milk Industry Continues To Free-Fall, Canadian Dairies Are Thriving

Postby Aaron » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:09 pm

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Ahhh. Ok, now I know who you are in the most basic of terms. One of those die-hard chest-pounding Canadian Socialists. The ones who look down on (or even have deep-seeded hatred for) the Americans and suffer from that Canadian inferiority complex. The socialist way is the right way, capitalism is the root of all evil, etc, etc.

And here I pegged you for a staunch royal blue Conservative. World is full of surprises.

It is no secret here or offline that I am a hard-nosed Libertarian, so that would clash sharply with your apparent socialist ideals.


Keep guessing Aaron. I am not that transparent and you are obviously not very perceptive.


As far as I know, there is no other way to perceive an intense love for socialism. Your words speak to your beliefs.
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Aaron wrote:As far as I know, there is no other way to perceive an intense love for socialism. Your words speak to your beliefs.


You know Aaron, you could have left your mouth shut and be thought a fool, but now that you've opened it you've removed all doubt.
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Postby Aaron » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:26 pm

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Aaron wrote:As far as I know, there is no other way to perceive an intense love for socialism. Your words speak to your beliefs.


You know Aaron, you could have left your mouth shut and be thought a fool, but now that you've opened it you've removed all doubt.


Thanks for letting me know I was right all along.
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Postby Silver » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:58 pm

Aaron wrote:
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Aaron wrote:As far as I know, there is no other way to perceive an intense love for socialism. Your words speak to your beliefs.


You know Aaron, you could have left your mouth shut and be thought a fool, but now that you've opened it you've removed all doubt.


Thanks for letting me know I was right all along.


See, and I thought your biggest fault was being bone lazy, turns out foolish is also high on the list.
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Re: As Vermont's Milk Industry Continues To Free-Fall, Canadian Dairies Are Thriving

Postby Aaron » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:24 pm

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You know Aaron, you could have left your mouth shut and be thought a fool, but now that you've opened it you've removed all doubt.


Thanks for letting me know I was right all along.


See, and I thought your biggest fault was being bone lazy


Not sure where you gathered that notion. Next you'll be claiming I'm an alcoholic. You really are a snowflake aren't you?
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Postby Logar » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:08 pm

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Well you do live in BC, so it's pretty much natural for you to object. I understand.


That's just the problem, you don't understand.


Well you point out what you consider as lies by Logar and we can go from there.


I hope you noticed that he ducked you on this one. LOL..............

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Postby Aaron » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:53 pm

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That's just the problem, you don't understand.


Well you point out what you consider as lies by Logar and we can go from there.


I hope you noticed that he ducked you on this one. LOL..............

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Of course. I kept hoping he would bring facts and reasoning to his attacks, but that never happened.
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Re: As Vermont's Milk Industry Continues To Free-Fall, Canadian Dairies Are Thriving

Postby Logar » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:48 am

Aaron wrote:
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Well you point out what you consider as lies by Logar and we can go from there.


I hope you noticed that he ducked you on this one. LOL..............

Cheers


Of course. I kept hoping he would bring facts and reasoning to his attacks, but that never happened.


Far easier to point fingers, swear, stamp your feet like a spoiled kid and then run away and sulk.

Very much like many in British Columbia these days - I truly hope Alberta turns off the taps and those lefties can cry while they walk to work and no one can bring them food without huge rises in cost.

You be safe.
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Re: As Vermont's Milk Industry Continues To Free-Fall, Canadian Dairies Are Thriving

Postby Logar » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:04 am

Nesikep wrote:Live by the sword, die by the sword... you want your free market.. well, there you have it... I think having a dollar value on quota is bad, but steady, predictable supply and prices are a good thing for both the producers and the consumers.

If I could guarantee $2.25CDN (~1.75 USD) for good 5 wt steers for the next 10 years, I'd do it.. Rather that than a year at $3/lb and then falling to $1.25 for the next 5.


Many years ago the beef industry had that chance to have a quota system and as a whole decided against it.
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Re: As Vermont's Milk Industry Continues To Free-Fall, Canadian Dairies Are Thriving

Postby HDRider » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:19 am

I did not intend to start a Canadian civil war. I actually did not think such a thing was possible.

I am very interested in commodity markets. The study of how our markets are controlled, manipulated and fluctuate is fascinating from an academic perspective, and down right frightening from a pragmatic view.

I am by nature, and by choice, a free market guy. That said, there is no such thing as a free market on commodity products. We are manipulated by speculators and government policy. We are at the mercy of weather and global production levels. Any commodity producer is only a season or two away from devastating loss.

Me personally, I am more inclined libertarian than left, but I would like to hear what market controls work. When I say work, I mean some managed methods that seek some level of fairness for producer, marketers, retailers, and consumers. I know life ain't fair, but to accept unfairness, when corrections are available, seems kind of dumb.
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Re: As Vermont's Milk Industry Continues To Free-Fall, Canadian Dairies Are Thriving

Postby Son of Butch » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:38 am

Solutions are based on political ideology.
Politics and or intelligent thought are grounds for being banned.... ya might get this thread locked.
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Re: As Vermont's Milk Industry Continues To Free-Fall, Canadian Dairies Are Thriving

Postby Silver » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:54 am

Logar wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Logar wrote:
I hope you noticed that he ducked you on this one. LOL..............

Cheers


Of course. I kept hoping he would bring facts and reasoning to his attacks, but that never happened.


Far easier to point fingers, swear, stamp your feet like a spoiled kid and then run away and sulk.

Very much like many in British Columbia these days - I truly hope Alberta turns off the taps and those lefties can cry while they walk to work and no one can bring them food without huge rises in cost.

You be safe.


I think if you look Aaron was quite happy to start pointing, labeling, and acting like a spoiled child. If he had any brains in his head he could have asked me my political leaning and I would have told him. Nobody wants to ask, everyone wants to label. I don't have patience for such foolishness.
You labeled Canada as a socialist, lefty country and I take exception to that, at least as compared to the US. We could argue about which country is more socialist all day but odds are good the thread will get locked.
If you would like to ask me my opinions on oil and gas, the Kinder Morgan pipeline or even which way I've voted the last 30 years I'll happily tell you.
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Re: As Vermont's Milk Industry Continues To Free-Fall, Canadian Dairies Are Thriving

Postby Silver » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:58 am

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Thanks for letting me know I was right all along.


See, and I thought your biggest fault was being bone lazy


Not sure where you gathered that notion. Next you'll be claiming I'm an alcoholic. You really are a snowflake aren't you?


Well since you started the assumption game I thought I'd play along.
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Postby Nesikep » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:04 pm

HDRider wrote:I did not intend to start a Canadian civil war. I actually did not think such a thing was possible.

I am very interested in commodity markets. The study of how our markets are controlled, manipulated and fluctuate is fascinating from an academic perspective, and down right frightening from a pragmatic view.

I am by nature, and by choice, a free market guy. That said, there is no such thing as a free market on commodity products. We are manipulate by speculators and government policy. We are at the mercy of weather and global production levels. Any commodity producer is only a season or two away from devastating loss.

Me personally, I am more inclined libertarian than left, but I would like to hear what market controls work. When I say work, I mean some managed methods that seek some level of fairness for producer, marketers, retailers, and consumers. I know life ain't fair, but to accept unfairness, when corrections are available, seems kind of dumb.


Where's my working heart button

I think it would be something if speculators who buy stuff had to take physical delivery of the goods.. it would even out the playing field a bit.. this paper trading makes things excessively volatile, and things never correct the right amount, they always overcorrect because it's so easy to sell when all you're holding is paper.

How about a sales tax on stocks? Would make holding stock more favorable than minute-to-minute buying and selling.. New York, Toronto, and all the other stock/commodity exchanges have far too many lobbyists for that to ever happen
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Postby Silver » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:43 pm

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I think it would be something if speculators who buy stuff had to take physical delivery of the goods.. it would even out the playing field a bit.. this paper trading makes things excessively volatile, and things never correct the right amount, they always overcorrect because it's so easy to sell when all you're holding is paper.


Couldn't agree more. It's especially bad in this age of technology where anybody and everybody can buy and sell with the click of a mouse.
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