Butter Fat and No Cycling Questions

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Re: Butter Fat and No Cycling Questions

Postby I luv herfrds » Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:19 pm

TB she doesn't like it. I mixed some with her ground barley this morning, she took a big bite and I never knew cows could spit. :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:
She spit it out and then gave me a dirty look.

Oh her heat patch this morning was all red so the vet is coming out to check her. Got my fingers crossed she is in heat.
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Re: Butter Fat and No Cycling Questions

Postby chippie » Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:36 pm

How much are you giving her? We would add about 1/4 cup per feeding. soybean is something like 44% protein.

If it sifts to the bottom of the feed trough, drizzle a little molasses on the pellets, stir and then add the meal, stir again.

DD's cow was a bit anemic and off after calving earlier this year. We gave her a vitamin supplement and had to use the molasses to make sure that she ate the vitamins. I bought it at the grocery store, poured it into a cleaned dish soap bottle. I just squirted a bit on the pellets. easy peasy.

Good luck with her. I'm glad that she is picking up.
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Re: Butter Fat and No Cycling Questions

Postby TexasBred » Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:13 pm

She'll adjust to the soybean meal. Cattle normally love it but it's new and different so may take a little while. About a lb. added the pellets and barley should be more than enough. The "Hi-Pro" soymeal is 47.5% crude protein.
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Re: Butter Fat and No Cycling Questions

Postby I luv herfrds » Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:11 pm

Yep she was in heat, Checked my tank last week and there was still nitrous in it. Checked it today and it had dried up and the semen was thawed, so just gotta wait for the next cycle.
Hopefully she will be in better shape by then and she will catch quickly.
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Re: Butter Fat and No Cycling Questions

Postby chippie » Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:14 am

Sorry your tank dried up. I hope that it will be OK. It's important to keep them filled. We lost a tank after it was allowed to go dry. :(
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Re: Butter Fat and No Cycling Questions

Postby novaman » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:35 pm

Put a stick or something in the tank to check the level of nitrogen in the tank. You can't glance in and see liquid and forget about it.
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Re: Butter Fat and No Cycling Questions

Postby I luv herfrds » Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:21 pm

Butter fat is now increasing.

Crazy cow. She will withhold some of her milk during milking so I do a couple different tricks.
I wash her bag with warm water and dry it before attaching the milking bucket and then I will wash her bag again with a clean rag and warm water. A few times that doesn't work so I stand there and slap the quarters she is not letting down. Just seems to be the front 2 quarters.
Increased the speed of the milker and that has also helped.
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Re: Butter Fat and No Cycling Questions

Postby regolith » Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:22 pm

She's a slow milker in the front quarters or she has high residual milk?
I don't think it's hormonally possible for a cow to let some of her milk down normally and hold on to the rest.

I did have a cow that I presumed had high residual milk - she never looked milked out when the cups came off. I did milk her right out a couple of times by giving her oxytocin, but the cow's gone now and I never kept any calves from her. That's why she left. Her production was below average.
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Re: Butter Fat and No Cycling Questions

Postby I luv herfrds » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:34 pm

I cut the calves off at night and then milk her in the morning. when I'm done I turn the calves back on her and she lets down just fine. Should see the milk slobber flying. After they are done she looks milked out even more.
The front quarters are what the calves hit first.

Ok question. What is high residual milk?
How can you tell a cow has that?

She is putting out 3 gallons a day on once a day milkings.
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Re: Butter Fat and No Cycling Questions

Postby regolith » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:13 am

Well, 'high residual milk' is a term I made up to fit that particular cow.

When a cow is done milking, there's always some milk left in the udder. And it varies from individual to individual - usually I think it's about 1/2 pint per quarter, and that's called the residual milk. We say a cow *should* look floppy like a wet rag when she's milked but some don't, and this cow never looked more than half-milked.
Maybe it looks like when a cow first calves and there's a lot of swelling in the udder, but after about a week or so she starts milking out fully and the swelling's gone. If there's a lot of residual milk, she'll just keep looking like that, like she's not properly milked.

It does sound like your cow is holding her milk for the calves. Just doesn't quite make sense with the way I understand the let-down process to work.
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Re: Butter Fat and No Cycling Questions

Postby I luv herfrds » Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:42 am

That is why I take a full calf bottle of warm water with me. Also got some inflator plugs and i will stick those on the back teat inflators and put the front ones on first and let the milker work on them for several minutes before I put the back ones on.

Yes she gets very floppy in the rear after I milk her. Slapping the front quarters works too to be the milk out. Just annoying when she is whacking me back with her tail.
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Re: Butter Fat and No Cycling Questions

Postby chippie » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:40 am

Try massaging the udder instead of slapping it. Reach up high and massage with your thumbs.
She may stop hitting you with her tail.
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Re: Butter Fat and No Cycling Questions

Postby TexasBred » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:27 pm

chippie wrote:Try massaging the udder instead of slapping it. Reach up high and massage with your thumbs.
She may stop hitting you with her tail.

This may have been why she was "on the market". Nothing messes up a good milking routine like a slow milker or a cow that the teat cups aer always falling off.
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Re: Butter Fat and No Cycling Questions

Postby I luv herfrds » Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:27 pm

TB this is her first year freshening.
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Re: Butter Fat and No Cycling Questions

Postby TexasBred » Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:31 pm

I luv herfrds wrote:TB this is her first year freshening.


hmmm...then you may as well get used to doing a lot of that "udder slapping". Just for a little test one time, give her a shot of oxytocin just before you start preping her for milkin. See if she really lets her milk down or if she can hold it like she's been doing.
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