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Frderal 410 handgun self defense loads?

Postby True Grit Farms » Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:24 pm

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The primers aren't in the center of the brass. The Federal box says made in America. But they're sure not made in the same place as Hornady. I will not be buying anymore Federal 410 ammo.
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Re: Frderal 410 handgun self defense loads?

Postby Margonme » Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:30 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:Image

The primers aren't in the center of the brass. The Federal box says made in America. But they're sure not made in the same place as Hornady. I will not be buying anymore Federal 410 ammo.


That is very poor quality control. Wow!
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Re: Frderal 410 handgun self defense loads?

Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:16 pm

Do they fire?
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Re: Frderal 410 handgun self defense loads?

Postby True Grit Farms » Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:54 pm

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:Do they fire?


Yes no problems at all, besides how they look. I've just never seen any other cartridges with the primers loaded like this.
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Re: Frderal 410 handgun self defense loads?

Postby Margonme » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:12 pm

The primers would have to be almost touching the rim of the case to not get hit by the firing pin. But that is horrible quality control.
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Re: Frderal 410 handgun self defense loads?

Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:14 pm

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TennesseeTuxedo wrote:Do they fire?


Yes no problems at all, besides how they look. I've just never seen any other cartridges with the primers loaded like this.


Just wondered since you said you wouldn't buy them again.
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Re: Frderal 410 handgun self defense loads?

Postby Bigfoot » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:34 pm

I've stared at that picture a couple of times. I don't see what your talking about. They look centered to me. Not questioning your judgement, just my eyesight.
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Re: Frderal 410 handgun self defense loads?

Postby Caustic Burno » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:40 pm

Never cared for Federal Ammo especially in shotgun shells if I didn't reload it I wanted the box to read Winchester Super X or Remington Express. Fiochi Golden Pheasant is some premium shells as well.
The best buckshot loads I have found in 410 are Winchester
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Re: Frderal 410 handgun self defense loads?

Postby Ryder » Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:18 am

Why would you want a .410 for self defense?
If that gun is a .45/.410 I would certainly prefer the .45 for self defense.
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Re: Frderal 410 handgun self defense loads?

Postby True Grit Farms » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:11 am

Ryder wrote:Why would you want a .410 for self defense?
If that gun is a .45/.410 I would certainly prefer the .45 for self defense.


I assume that you haven't done any real life test on stopping power. From the test that I've done, wound channel equals stopping power. There's not a pistol round made that has more stopping power than a .410, at close range.
Just for comparison a 230gr. 45cal bullet is only 1/2 oz. Some of the .410 self defense loads are well over 1 oz. and achieve the same velocity as the 45.
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Re: Frderal 410 handgun self defense loads?

Postby Margonme » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:16 am

True Grit Farms wrote:
Ryder wrote:Why would you want a .410 for self defense?
If that gun is a .45/.410 I would certainly prefer the .45 for self defense.


I assume that you haven't done any real life test on stopping power. From the test that I've done, wound channel equals stopping power. There's not a pistol round made that has more stopping power than a .410, at close range.
Just for comparison a 230gr. 45cal bullet is only 1/2 oz. Some of the .410 self defense loads are well over 1 oz. and achieve the same velocity as the 45.


Now the rest of the story. The 410 has less penetration and less range as a defensive weapon. I will take the .45 ACP. If I only need a couple shots, I would prefer my single action Blackhawk in .44 magnum.
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Re: Frderal 410 handgun self defense loads?

Postby talltimber » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:31 am

There are many opinions and theories about what makes a good self defense weapon. You see it all over the interwebs. I believe what is probably the most dependable would be a double action revolver, but thats not what I have. Platform is a personal choice, just be good, or at least efficient, with what you choose.

The round or caliber is not as important I don't believe. Although, obviously, a 45/410 etc will stop more than a 22, when whatever you have starts catching on fire you are gonna get their attention.
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Re: Frderal 410 handgun self defense loads?

Postby Bigfoot » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:37 am

Are those slugs, or the rounds with the little disc instead of buckshot?
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Re: Frderal 410 handgun self defense loads?

Postby dun » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:25 am

Shotgun or handgun I feel depends on the application. If I lived in a house with other people I would far prefer a shotgun. Less of a chance of a stray penetrating a wall and doing damage but very effective at those kind of close ranges against a single or even multiple assailants. If I had to shoot through a car door or window the handgun (or even better a rifle) would be my choice. I think that is part of the reason "The Judge" has become so popular. Sadly a lot of the hype and horse schitt about selve defence is from people relying on movies for their information/ifeas.
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Re: Frderal 410 handgun self defense loads?

Postby Caustic Burno » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:47 am

dun wrote:Shotgun or handgun I feel depends on the application. If I lived in a house with other people I would far prefer a shotgun. Less of a chance of a stray penetrating a wall and doing damage but very effective at those kind of close ranges against a single or even multiple assailants. If I had to shoot through a car door or window the handgun (or even better a rifle) would be my choice. I think that is part of the reason "The Judge" has become so popular. Sadly a lot of the hype and horse schitt about selve defence is from people relying on movies for their information/ifeas.

Judge is a good gun for on the nightstand or in the truck or mule for personal carry I wouldn't even consider it. Bought one for the wife years ago for the house loaded with Winchester AA #8 great for snakes and varmits around. For defense she carries a 38
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