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Re: Weatherby 340 for a female?

Postby Margonme » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:51 pm

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dun wrote:I'm thinking he should be able to load it down to about 25 whelen velocitys and make it easier for her to handle

I'm assuming you meant.35 Whelen. Do you shoot one? I've never shot one or seen one in person but I've always been intrigued by it and the 8mm Remington Magnum.


js1234, don't know your age but when I was very young, I read a lot of Colonel Townsend Whelen's writing. The 35 Whelen is a 30-06 necked up to receive a .358 diameter bullet which Col. Whelen invented. I was the benefactor of a family friend that was a gunsmith. George Sweeney. He was a marksman who won many bench rest medals at Camp Perry. He built a 35 Whelen on a Winchester M70 action. At the time, you had to fire form your own brass from 30-06.

Another couple of great writers was Elmer Keith and of course maybe the greatest of all time, Jack O'Conner.

If I ever need anything bigger than .375 H&H, I would probably consider one of the .416 calibers, most likely the Remington Magnum.
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Re: Weatherby 340 for a female?

Postby dun » Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:13 am

Yeah, I just washed my hands and can;t do a thing with them. The 8 mag is a killer, 35 whelen isn;t bad, about on par with a an 06 with a heavy bullet
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Re: Weatherby 340 for a female?

Postby js1234 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:57 am

Margonme wrote:
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dun wrote:I'm thinking he should be able to load it down to about 25 whelen velocitys and make it easier for her to handle

I'm assuming you meant.35 Whelen. Do you shoot one? I've never shot one or seen one in person but I've always been intrigued by it and the 8mm Remington Magnum.


js1234, don't know your age but when I was very young, I read a lot of Colonel Townsend Whelen's writing. The 35 Whelen is a 30-06 necked up to receive a .358 diameter bullet which Col. Whelen invented. I was the benefactor of a family friend that was a gunsmith. George Sweeney. He was a marksman who won many bench rest medals at Camp Perry. He built a 35 Whelen on a Winchester M70 action. At the time, you had to fire form your own brass from 30-06.

Another couple of great writers was Elmer Keith and of course maybe the greatest of all time, Jack O'Conner.

If I ever need anything bigger than .375 H&H, I would probably consider one of the .416 calibers, most likely the Remington Magnum.


I shoot a .416 Rigby. When I was a kid (first DG game hunt was with my father as a teenager) he bought me a Pre 64 Model 70 Safari in .375 H&H. I took a Cape Buffalo, a Crocodile and some PG with it. I went on to use that rifle on more hunts here in the US, I really do trust that gun, which I still have. Before my second trip, a couple years later, I had become infatuated with the .416, thanks to writing of Craig Boddington and the stories of Harry Selby. I had just sold a pretty impressive calf horse, doing quite well on him, and some of the proceeds purchased a Dakota 76 African in .416 Rigby. Nearly 20 years later, that's my DG rifle, having used it on multiple Cape Buffalo, a Hippo, a tuskless, some plains game and then a Banteng and Water Buffalo on a different Continent not to mention overkill on hogs here at home. I have shot a .458 Winchester bolt gun of a friends but I don't see myself getting a bolt gun larger than my .416. I have used my fathers .450/400 Nitro Express double and at some point I'll probably get a double, infact, I've looked at a couple in the last year, one in .450/400 Nitro Express like my Father's and one in .470 Nitro Express. Both are great rounds.
I'm in my late 30's, so while he and O'Conner were both well before my time, I have enjoyed a fair amount of Elmer Keith.
The 8mm. infatuation is also a product of Craig Boddington who, while like everything is open to debate, was probably THE hunting writer in the 90's when I was a teen.
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Re: Weatherby 340 for a female?

Postby Margonme » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:27 am

js1234 wrote:
Margonme wrote:
js1234 wrote:I'm assuming you meant.35 Whelen. Do you shoot one? I've never shot one or seen one in person but I've always been intrigued by it and the 8mm Remington Magnum.


js1234, don't know your age but when I was very young, I read a lot of Colonel Townsend Whelen's writing. The 35 Whelen is a 30-06 necked up to receive a .358 diameter bullet which Col. Whelen invented. I was the benefactor of a family friend that was a gunsmith. George Sweeney. He was a marksman who won many bench rest medals at Camp Perry. He built a 35 Whelen on a Winchester M70 action. At the time, you had to fire form your own brass from 30-06.

Another couple of great writers was Elmer Keith and of course maybe the greatest of all time, Jack O'Conner.

If I ever need anything bigger than .375 H&H, I would probably consider one of the .416 calibers, most likely the Remington Magnum.


I shoot a .416 Rigby. When I was a kid (first DG game hunt was with my father as a teenager) he bought me a Pre 64 Model 70 Safari in .375 H&H. I took a Cape Buffalo, a Crocodile and some PG with it. I went on to use that rifle on more hunts here in the US, I really do trust that gun, which I still have. Before my second trip, a couple years later, I had become infatuated with the .416, thanks to writing of Craig Boddington and the stories of Harry Selby. I had just sold a pretty impressive calf horse, doing quite well on him, and some of the proceeds purchased a Dakota 76 African in .416 Rigby. Nearly 20 years later, that's my DG rifle, having used it on multiple Cape Buffalo, a Hippo, a tuskless, some plains game and then a Banteng and Water Buffalo on a different Continent not to mention overkill on hogs here at home. I have shot a .458 Winchester bolt gun of a friends but I don't see myself getting a bolt gun larger than my .416. I have used my fathers .450/400 Nitro Express double and at some point I'll probably get a double, infact, I've looked at a couple in the last year, one in .450/400 Nitro Express like my Father's and one in .470 Nitro Express. Both are great rounds.
I'm in my late 30's, so while he and O'Conner were both well before my time, I have enjoyed a fair amount of Elmer Keith.
The 8mm. infatuation is also a product of Craig Boddington who, while like everything is open to debate, was probably THE hunting writer in the 90's when I was a teen.


I don't know if you have crossed paths with Richard Brebner, he carried a Remington M 700 in .416 Remington Magnum.

There are some great names in African hunting. Have you met Roger Whittal? Boddington is a big fan of Roger.

I assume you have read Robert Ruark. He hunted with Harry Selby. Those were the classic days of the African safari.
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Re: Weatherby 340 for a female?

Postby Stocker Steve » Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:25 pm

Margonme wrote:If I ever need anything bigger than .375 H&H, I would probably consider one of the .416 calibers, most likely the Remington Magnum.


A .45-70 hand load will make a golf ball sized wound channel...
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Re: Weatherby 340 for a female?

Postby Margonme » Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:44 pm

Stocker Steve wrote:
Margonme wrote:If I ever need anything bigger than .375 H&H, I would probably consider one of the .416 calibers, most likely the Remington Magnum.


A .45-70 hand load will make a golf ball sized wound channel...


For dangerous game, there are better choices. Wound channel is less important on dangerous game than penetration and bone crushing foot pounds of energy.
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Re: Weatherby 340 for a female?

Postby js1234 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:57 pm

Margonme wrote:
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Margonme wrote:I don't know if you have crossed paths with Richard Brebner, he carried a Remington M 700 in .416 Remington Magnum.

There are some great names in African hunting. Have you met Roger Whittal? Boddington is a big fan of Roger.

I assume you have read Robert Ruark. He hunted with Harry Selby. Those were the classic days of the African safari.

My Dad's first Safari was in the early 80's with Russ Broom in Zambia. He never has hunted with the Whittall's, nor have I. When we hunted Sango, Roger and his wife (Anne I think it was) did come and have dinner at camp one night. They were there to see Johnathan Hulme and Theirry Labat but they were fantastic and it was an honor to share a table with a legend like Roger.
Ruark is great, Something of Value is an exceptional book.
I've been a total of 6 times to hunt in Africa. 2x Zimbabwe, 2x Namibia, once each to SA and Tanzania. It is truly infectious. I'm going back to Zimbabwe in 2018 assuming things don't change in a prohibitive fashion.
Africa is a magic place and it is infectious, no doubt.
I can hardly wait to share it with my sons.
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Re: Weatherby 340 for a female?

Postby Nesikep » Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:06 am

On this continent, I don't see what the use of something bigger than a 7mm or .308 is needed. If you have good shot placement, that's 95% of it, and you really oughtn't be pulling the trigger if you don't.. with the exception of "holy carp this thing is chasing me" situations... I've taken down several 2 year old black bears with a caliber I won't even mention, and big full-grown ones didn't move an inch after taking a hit from the .308.

That african stuff has a bit a different hide though!
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Re: Weatherby 340 for a female?

Postby dun » Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:18 am

I've never had any desire to hunt Africa but I read all of the books about from the old time greats. My favorite author concerning African hunting was/is Peter Hathaway Capstick. With a name like that you would expewct him to very BRITISH, but he was born and raised in new jersey.
I loaned one of his books to a non-hunting friend of mine to read on his flights back to the west coast. He really enjoyed it. Goes to show that entertaining writers can bridge gaps.
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Re: Weatherby 340 for a female?

Postby Dave » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:18 pm

Nesikep wrote:On this continent, I don't see what the use of something bigger than a 7mm or .308 is needed. If you have good shot placement, that's 95% of it, and you really oughtn't be pulling the trigger if you don't.. with the exception of "holy carp this thing is chasing me" situations... I've taken down several 2 year old black bears with a caliber I won't even mention, and big full-grown ones didn't move an inch after taking a hit from the .308.

That african stuff has a bit a different hide though!


You are correct in that shot placement is 95% if not more. And I have shot 2 elk with a 308. But I now pack a 300 Win mag when elk hunting. I know most of the guys who hunt that area and nobody packs a gun as small as a 308. An elk can pack a lot of lead. I also worked in big bear country for several years in Alaska. There is no way on God's green earth that I would hunt brownies or grizzly with a 7mm or a 308. Having been up close and personal with one or two of them will give you a high level of respect for the what those big bears can do.
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Re: Weatherby 340 for a female?

Postby Ryder » Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:22 pm

js1234 wrote:
Margonme wrote:
js1234 wrote:

My Dad's first Safari was in the early 80's with Russ Broom in Zambia. He never has hunted with the Whittall's, nor have I. When we hunted Sango, Roger and his wife (Anne I think it was) did come and have dinner at camp one night. They were there to see Johnathan Hulme and Theirry Labat but they were fantastic and it was an honor to share a table with a legend like Roger.

Ruark is great, Something of Value is an exceptional book.

I've been a total of 6 times to hunt in Africa. 2x Zimbabwe, 2x Namibia, once each to SA and Tanzania. It is truly infectious. I'm going back to Zimbabwe in 2018 assuming things don't change in a prohibitive fashion.
Africa is a magic place and it is infectious, no doubt.
I can hardly wait to share it with my sons.

I consider Something of Value to be one of the best books I have ever read.

Would like to hear from you men with experience as to what a typical day on your hunts would be like, if there is a typical day.
I talked to one young man who had just returned from Africa and asked him if he spent a lot of time hunting. He said, "All day every day" and indicated it was very strenuous. He remarked how much harder it was on their guide ( if that is correct terminology).
I have no way to picture this experience.
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Re: Weatherby 340 for a female?

Postby js1234 » Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:57 am

Ryder wrote:
js1234 wrote:
Margonme wrote:

My Dad's first Safari was in the early 80's with Russ Broom in Zambia. He never has hunted with the Whittall's, nor have I. When we hunted Sango, Roger and his wife (Anne I think it was) did come and have dinner at camp one night. They were there to see Johnathan Hulme and Theirry Labat but they were fantastic and it was an honor to share a table with a legend like Roger.

Ruark is great, Something of Value is an exceptional book.

I've been a total of 6 times to hunt in Africa. 2x Zimbabwe, 2x Namibia, once each to SA and Tanzania. It is truly infectious. I'm going back to Zimbabwe in 2018 assuming things don't change in a prohibitive fashion.
Africa is a magic place and it is infectious, no doubt.
I can hardly wait to share it with my sons.

I consider Something of Value to be one of the best books I have ever read.

Would like to hear from you men with experience as to what a typical day on your hunts would be like, if there is a typical day.
I talked to one young man who had just returned from Africa and asked him if he spent a lot of time hunting. He said, "All day every day" and indicated it was very strenuous. He remarked how much harder it was on their guide ( if that is correct terminology).
I have no way to picture this experience.

It's a hard thing to describe "typical". First off, it would depend on the type of safari, in terms of the quarry etc. Outside of a few very specialized hunts, like Bongo in the jungle and Mountain Nyala in the mountains (I've done neither but I know a couple guys who have), there are a few things that hold true on every safari.
1. The food is outstanding, you will eat an amazing breakfast at camp, have a lunch packed out to the field with you complete with place settings etc. or return to camp for lunch. Dinner will be sundowners after you cleanup for dinner, then a 3-4 course meal with a great mix of beef/pork/fish and game that has been shot by the hunting party. If there is something you like to eat or drink, it will be in camp if they are made aware.
2. The level of service and comfort for a tent camp if in the bush or lodge if on a ranch is mind boggling. I've stayed in tent camps that were a 4 hour drive and then a 2 hour flight from civilization and my tent had a toilet and hot water en suite. Your laundry will be down daily, ironed fresh and laid out for you. Your wakeup call will be a glass of whatever coffee or tea you drink hand delivered to your tent.
3. The ability of the trackers and game scouts is stunning. The way those men can read spoor and/or follow wounded game, through any terrain is truly awe inspiring.
4. How welcoming, genuine, happy to have you there and friendly the black africans who are the bulk of the labor in camp is very impressive.
5. The skill of the PH (Professional Hunter) at about everything is amazing to me. They must manage a small army of staff, plan the days, keep the vehicles moving, be well aware of rules and regulations, know the politics of the local tribes, be a great judge of trophies, a master hunter, a deadly accurate shot either bringing down a wounded animal going away or a charging one coming toward you, be a gunsmith, have some medical ability and survival skills, be wonderful company that can intelligently talk travel/business/hunting/politics or anything else and keep it lively and enjoyable for 10-30 days together nonstop, all with a smile and too many other things to count.
6. You will see more game and do more shooting on a 10 day safari than on 10 week long elk hunts.

While there is no denying that dangerous game hunting and East African safaris are very expensive, Plains game is surprisingly affordable. The average 7 day plains game hunt to say Namibia is almost certainly less than a truly good guided elk hunt in New Mexico or Arizona.

On a typical plains game hunt or maybe Cape Buffalo/PG or a true classic mixed bag safari thats 21-28 days, the "normal" day is to rise at daylight, have breakfast, go hunt somewhere on the concession, have lunch, relax a bit in the afternoon, hunt the evening or maybe shoot some birds over a river or lake, get cleaned up have a cocktail and dinner, then another couple cocktails around the fire afterward. While killing is only a small part of the experience, you will shoot plenty of animals. on a 10 day PG hunt, probably 8-10 different species.

On a more specialized hunt, such as a 14 day elephant hunt, like I went on up in the Caprivi Strip of Namibia, you really focus on the primary animal until its taken so often less total animals are shot. On that elephant hunt as an example, we were up early every morning, cut some bull tracks and then follow them until you see what made them. We tracked 6 bulls in 8 days before we connected on my bull on the 8th. day. We hunted hard all day every day and in the first 7 days of the hunt, I shot a hyena one evening and a warthog at the request of the cook. I shot my bull on the 8th. day, a tuskless on the 11th. day. We shot sand grouse etc. for a couple days, along with a truly big duiker on the last day. So in 14 days, 5 big game animals were taken, including one for camp meat. That's a bit more of a post graduate hunt though.

I will say this, I've been blessed and have hunted in one form or another in 11 Countries on 5 Continents including quite a few States here in the US. That said, there is something magic about Africa and I've never hunted somewhere that works itself into your psyche, as soon as I leave, I'm thinking about going again. I'd recommend you go at some point, you won't regret it.
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Re: Weatherby 340 for a female?

Postby Nesikep » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:38 am

Dave wrote:
Nesikep wrote:On this continent, I don't see what the use of something bigger than a 7mm or .308 is needed. If you have good shot placement, that's 95% of it, and you really oughtn't be pulling the trigger if you don't.. with the exception of "holy carp this thing is chasing me" situations... I've taken down several 2 year old black bears with a caliber I won't even mention, and big full-grown ones didn't move an inch after taking a hit from the .308.

That african stuff has a bit a different hide though!


You are correct in that shot placement is 95% if not more. And I have shot 2 elk with a 308. But I now pack a 300 Win mag when elk hunting. I know most of the guys who hunt that area and nobody packs a gun as small as a 308. An elk can pack a lot of lead. I also worked in big bear country for several years in Alaska. There is no way on God's green earth that I would hunt brownies or grizzly with a 7mm or a 308. Having been up close and personal with one or two of them will give you a high level of respect for the what those big bears can do.

My object would be not not have to be up close and personal with them... Nearly every one I've shot here had no idea where the shot came from, which is what I like... Should I bungle the shot, there's a good chance I can sit tight and not be spotted...
I have yet to sight in my 7mm and see if I'm going to want a muzzle brake on it... My shoulders aren't that great.
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Re: Weatherby 340 for a female?

Postby Ryder » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:28 pm

js 1234 Thanks very much for the reply.
I have never considered myself much of a hunter but you sure whet my appetite.
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Re: Weatherby 340 for a female?

Postby greybeard » Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:59 pm

Welp, I tried it Sunday afternoon. Just shot 2 rounds since they're $84/box. Recoil wasn't too bad, not much more than the .300, but the noise was 'significant'. Probably because of the muzzle brake.
They're looking to trade it for something she can shoot easier, preferably semi-auto.
I would be interested if it weren't a lefty..


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