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Re: anyone watch the NFL draft?

Postby Son of Butch » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:57 am

wacocowboy wrote:
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wacocowboy wrote:I like Kizer if he can sit and learn. If the NFL had a minor league Dobbs might be my favorite of the bunch.
He is very raw and needs coaching but he is a nice piece of clay for someone to mold.

Kizer is only 20 yrs old, almost the youngest in the entire draft, he has a lot of upside and could really develop.
Unfortunately Cleveland took him, so what he'll develop into I don't know. He grew up in Ohio, maybe it'll work out.

Davis Webb 6-5 229 with a NFL arm is in the best spot to succeed having been drafted by the NY Giants.
He'll get to sit behind Eli Manning for a year or two while learning and practicing, so he won't be overwhelmed.
He could be heard from in a big way a few years down the line.


If Hugh Jackson is given time and Kizer is kept on the bench it could work but I don't trust the Browns owner to do that.

Yeah Webb like Dobbs and Kaaya is in a good place. Webb behind Eli, Dobbs behind Big Ben and Kaaya behind Stafford.

Read a report this morning saying rookie qb DeShone Kizer has narrowed the gap in Cleveland's qb competition.

"It's true Kizer's ball speed at the NFL combine was measured at 52 compared to 55 for Cody Kessler, but Kizer throws
a better deep ball and his accuracy and touch have improved under Hue Jackson and qb coach David Lee.
Kizer has made the biggest leap in progressing towards starting and has a legitimate shot at being the opening day
starter if his progress continues."

NFL defensive coordinators are not kind when devising defensive schemes to throw at rookie quarterbacks...
If Kizer can handle that kind of defensive pressure at such a young age Cleveland will have made a huge leap in
their progress towards competing for years to come.... or then again it might ruin Kizer's career if he gets fed to the wolves so early in his career.
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Re: anyone watch the NFL draft?

Postby wacocowboy » Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:33 pm

Son of Butch wrote:
wacocowboy wrote:
Son of Butch wrote:Kizer is only 20 yrs old, almost the youngest in the entire draft, he has a lot of upside and could really develop.
Unfortunately Cleveland took him, so what he'll develop into I don't know. He grew up in Ohio, maybe it'll work out.

Davis Webb 6-5 229 with a NFL arm is in the best spot to succeed having been drafted by the NY Giants.
He'll get to sit behind Eli Manning for a year or two while learning and practicing, so he won't be overwhelmed.
He could be heard from in a big way a few years down the line.


If Hugh Jackson is given time and Kizer is kept on the bench it could work but I don't trust the Browns owner to do that.

Yeah Webb like Dobbs and Kaaya is in a good place. Webb behind Eli, Dobbs behind Big Ben and Kaaya behind Stafford.

Read a report this morning saying rookie qb DeShone Kizer has narrowed the gap in Cleveland's qb competition.

"It's true Kizer's ball speed at the NFL combine was measured at 52 compared to 55 for Cody Kessler, but Kizer throws
a better deep ball and his accuracy and touch have improved under Hue Jackson and qb coach David Lee.
Kizer has made the biggest leap in progressing towards starting and has a legitimate shot at being the opening day
starter if his progress continues."

NFL defensive coordinators are not kind when devising defensive schemes to throw at rookie quarterbacks...
If Kizer can handle that kind of defensive pressure at such a young age Cleveland will have made a huge leap in
their progress towards competing for years to come.... or then again it might ruin Kizer's career if he gets fed to the wolves so early in his career.



Looking on the roster not hard for him to pass them up. I still think he needs to sit for awhile. I think he will be better than the guys Houston and KC took.
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Re: anyone watch the NFL draft?

Postby greybeard » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:21 pm

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I think he will be better than the guys Houston took.

That's not saying a whole lot....isn't everyone?
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Re: anyone watch the NFL draft?

Postby wacocowboy » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:50 pm

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I think he will be better than the guys Houston took.

That's not saying a whole lot....isn't everyone?


Way to have confidence in your team. :lol2:
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Re: anyone watch the NFL draft?

Postby greybeard » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:45 pm

Beginning with Shaub, 'No QB' has headed the list of
Why my team sucks
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Re: anyone watch the NFL draft?

Postby wacocowboy » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:38 am

greybeard wrote:Beginning with Shaub, 'No QB' has headed the list of
Why my team sucks


Yeah No QB has kept y'all from a serious SB run.
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Re: anyone watch the NFL draft?

Postby Son of Butch » Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:11 am

Son of Butch wrote:
wacocowboy wrote:
Son of Butch wrote:It is nearly impossible to win a Super Bowl without a franchise QB and highest paid position on the team, so it is not
at all surprising to me.
1st round QBs have the highest success rate of all QBs in the NFL
It's just a 1st round bust gets so much attention and everyone just shrugs their shoulders when a 4th rounder busts out.


It don't surprise me all these teams desperate for a QB reaching like crazy. What I find funny is they let a very deep class slip by last year and reach in a weak class this year.

Next year's QB class has 5 good ones, so they can have a do over
I wasn't against Houston taking Watson, but I think they were targeting Pat Mahomes and panicked when KC drafted him


Nailed it!
As I predicted 1 year ago 5 quarterbacks were drafted in the 1st round this year and I made $50 yesterday betting it
when a buddy offered me a 40/50 bet ($40 if I lost $50 if I won) that only 4 qbs would go in round one.
(Thank You Ozzie Newsome)

5 qbs in round one, only 3rd time ever with the last time in 1999 when Cleveland took Tim Couch #1 overall.
Next prediction: 2 of the 5 will one day make pro bowl just like last time (Donavon McNabb, Dante Culpepper)
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Re: anyone watch the NFL draft?

Postby Bestoutwest » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:20 pm

Son of Butch wrote:5 qbs in round one, only 3rd time ever with the last time in 1999 when Cleveland took Tim Couch #1 overall.
Next prediction: 2 of the 5 will one day make pro bowl just like last time (Donavon McNabb, Dante Culpepper)


Which ones? I'm not sure this was that good of a QB class, just there was a lot of need. I think it's going to be pretty bad in 2-3 years when these guys are the starters.

I also heard that Barkley signed for $31M guaranteed with the Giants. Looks like they'll pay for that one.
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Re: anyone watch the NFL draft?

Postby Son of Butch » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:55 pm

1st round picks all receive slotted salary/contracts pre set by the union/league agreement.
Big drop off outside the top ten i.e. pick 11 gets 4 yr contract paying about 3 million less than pick 10.
Whoever the Giants selected at 2 would've gotten that 31 million 4 yr contract with team option for a 5th year.

1. Baker Maysfield gets a 4 yr 33 million contract 23 million guaranteed with 22,185,523 of it due at signing
compare to
Alex Smith Redskins qb 4 yr contact 94 million 71 million guaranteed including 27 million signing bonus

2. Saquan Barkley 4 yr contract $31,647,174 (compare to 49ers new fa/rb Jerick Mckinnon 4 yr 30 million)
Side bet on who will have the better year... Barkley or McKinnon?

NFL teams would pay Big Money for accurate future pro bowl information on the draft choices.
I'll need cash in advance to reveal which 2 of the 5 qbs.
John Gruden said in retrospect he got fired at Tampa Bay because he wasn't smart enough to draft Aaron Rodgers
at 5 instead of running back Cadillac Williams.

You are right about weakness of the draft class, one qb will be average at best and the other 2 disappointments.
5 had measurables good enough to draw round 1 interest, but doesn't mean in 3-4 years if redrafted they would.
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Re: anyone watch the NFL draft?

Postby houstoncutter » Wed May 02, 2018 10:34 am

As usual, the Texans idea of an Offensive Line , is 5 guys who haven’t showered in a week!
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Re: anyone watch the NFL draft?

Postby wacocowboy » Sun May 06, 2018 2:54 am

Son of Butch wrote:
Son of Butch wrote:
wacocowboy wrote:
It don't surprise me all these teams desperate for a QB reaching like crazy. What I find funny is they let a very deep class slip by last year and reach in a weak class this year.

Next year's QB class has 5 good ones, so they can have a do over
I wasn't against Houston taking Watson, but I think they were targeting Pat Mahomes and panicked when KC drafted him


Nailed it!
As I predicted 1 year ago 5 quarterbacks were drafted in the 1st round this year and I made $50 yesterday betting it
when a buddy offered me a 40/50 bet ($40 if I lost $50 if I won) that only 4 qbs would go in round one.
(Thank You Ozzie Newsome)

5 qbs in round one, only 3rd time ever with the last time in 1999 when Cleveland took Tim Couch #1 overall.
Next prediction: 2 of the 5 will one day make pro bowl just like last time (Donavon McNabb, Dante Culpepper)


Yeah you got lucky the Ravens pulled off a dumb move. Jackson won’t make it as a QB.
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Re: anyone watch the NFL draft?

Postby MRRherefords » Tue May 08, 2018 11:39 am

wacocowboy wrote:
Son of Butch wrote:
Son of Butch wrote:Next year's QB class has 5 good ones, so they can have a do over
I wasn't against Houston taking Watson, but I think they were targeting Pat Mahomes and panicked when KC drafted him


Nailed it!
As I predicted 1 year ago 5 quarterbacks were drafted in the 1st round this year and I made $50 yesterday betting it
when a buddy offered me a 40/50 bet ($40 if I lost $50 if I won) that only 4 qbs would go in round one.
(Thank You Ozzie Newsome)

5 qbs in round one, only 3rd time ever with the last time in 1999 when Cleveland took Tim Couch #1 overall.
Next prediction: 2 of the 5 will one day make pro bowl just like last time (Donavon McNabb, Dante Culpepper)


Yeah you got lucky the Ravens pulled off a dumb move. Jackson won’t make it as a QB.

Exactly. He is just like Tebow, Manziel and RGIII. Running qb do not make it in the NFL.
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Re: anyone watch the NFL draft?

Postby greybeard » Tue May 08, 2018 11:52 am

MRRherefords wrote:
wacocowboy wrote:
Son of Butch wrote:
Nailed it!
As I predicted 1 year ago 5 quarterbacks were drafted in the 1st round this year and I made $50 yesterday betting it
when a buddy offered me a 40/50 bet ($40 if I lost $50 if I won) that only 4 qbs would go in round one.
(Thank You Ozzie Newsome)

5 qbs in round one, only 3rd time ever with the last time in 1999 when Cleveland took Tim Couch #1 overall.
Next prediction: 2 of the 5 will one day make pro bowl just like last time (Donavon McNabb, Dante Culpepper)


Yeah you got lucky the Ravens pulled off a dumb move. Jackson won’t make it as a QB.

Exactly. He is just like Tebow, Manziel and RGIII. Running qb do not make it in the NFL.

C. Newton?

Randall Cunningham had a pretty good rushing total, and Steve Young wasn't far behind him. Fran Tarkington would run too, but lots of times, it was for his life, flushed out of the pocket.
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Re: anyone watch the NFL draft?

Postby Son of Butch » Tue May 08, 2018 12:17 pm

One compelling reason to grab a qb at the end of round one is the team gets automatic 5th year contract option.
IF they do turn out any good that option saves the team well over 10+ million dollars with today's qb salaries.
I'm sure Baltimore's GM factored that into his decision to draft him in the first round rather than waiting.
It's what I was counting on to win the bet.
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Re: anyone watch the NFL draft?

Postby MRRherefords » Wed May 09, 2018 8:10 am

greybeard wrote:
MRRherefords wrote:
wacocowboy wrote:
Yeah you got lucky the Ravens pulled off a dumb move. Jackson won’t make it as a QB.

Exactly. He is just like Tebow, Manziel and RGIII. Running qb do not make it in the NFL.

C. Newton?

Randall Cunningham had a pretty good rushing total, and Steve Young wasn't far behind him. Fran Tarkington would run too, but lots of times, it was for his life, flushed out of the pocket.

Newton really evolved from his days at Auburn. He has turned into more of a passing style qb in the NFL.
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