So ashamed. I forgot all about Earth Day.

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Re: So ashamed. I forgot all about Earth Day.

Postby Nesikep » Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:06 pm

Jogeephus wrote:
Nesikep wrote:Does the law have anything to do with that? They are here too.. NOW.. not in the first 3/4 of the 1900's though
I'm using this as an example.. PETA, et al wouldn't have a leg to stand on if there weren't SOME bad eggs in our industry that make our life harder


No laws that I know of. Its private property and if you want to pay taxes growing bushes then that's your right. Several years ago one of the environmental groups were soliciting money by showing pictures of the Mt. St. Helen's aftermath blaming all the downed timber on the logging industry. One of my friends confronted the speaker after his speech and they guy admitted doing this but laughed and said, "just look at the money we collected".

IMO, the biggest threat to forests on private lands is the government and the death tax that forces people to clearcut their trees.

Around here 99% of logging is done on federal land, so it's quite different.
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Re: So ashamed. I forgot all about Earth Day.

Postby Dave » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:49 am

All of the big timber companies were doing some form of replanting by the early 50's. Before that there was so much timber land that they thought they would never log it all. Small short sighted landowners might not have replanted but that is a very small portion of the land logged. No logging on federal land here. The spotted owl shut that down.
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Re: So ashamed. I forgot all about Earth Day.

Postby Jogeephus » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:29 pm

Around here you can always tell when someone's farm will be for sale in the future by whether or not they replant their trees. No one can make money growing bushes.
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Postby zirlottkim » Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:42 pm

In almost every industry that uses natural resource,(or uses land or sea in the production of resources) less producers are forced to produce more products. The less people involved in production of resources, the more demonized the process of production becomes. Examples: commercial fishing, oil production, timber, cattle. The more its demonized, the more production is centralized because undue rules and regulations are implemented to make the population "feel good". The rules and regulation forces out smaller less efficient businesses. The more centralized production becomes, the more dependent society becomes. Fewer producers and more consumers seems a recipe for disaster to me. There is an extreme disconnect in our society on where the basic products that make every day life possible come from.
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Re: So ashamed. I forgot all about Earth Day.

Postby HDRider » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:52 am

Bright Raven wrote:Jo stated:

...we need to use common sense and employ benefit cost analysis to things rather than do the typical knee jerk reactions our politicians typically do. To spend $5 million on figuring out the most environmentally friendly way to melt bags of ice in Louisiana after Katrina is just plain stupid and whether you are right or left every taxpayer should be outraged at this nonsense.

Not being facetious, but what is common sense to one person is a stupid act of incompetence to another. I have been involved in cases where the regulated party thought building a sedimentation pond was not an act of "common sense". Not everyone thinks a power plant is more important than a minnow. That is a fact Jack.

The world is never exactly what anyone wants it to be. We all live with that. One party wants to go North. The other party wants to go South. We all end up going east and west.

Cattle Today has a culture. I don't think I am unique in observing that. It is largely a Christian Conservative Culture. Yes, I have said that at least 5 times before this. Imagine if you will that the whole world is NOT a Christian Conservative Culture. Imagine that there are people who "sincerely" value a minnow or a rare orchid more than a power plant. To the culture of CT, they are "stupid idiots without common sense". So be it. Call them what ever strikes your fancy. The question is this: does your label for them change anything?

Imagine, if you will, if it was...
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Re: So ashamed. I forgot all about Earth Day.

Postby Bright Raven » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:57 am

HDRider wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:Jo stated:

...we need to use common sense and employ benefit cost analysis to things rather than do the typical knee jerk reactions our politicians typically do. To spend $5 million on figuring out the most environmentally friendly way to melt bags of ice in Louisiana after Katrina is just plain stupid and whether you are right or left every taxpayer should be outraged at this nonsense.

Not being facetious, but what is common sense to one person is a stupid act of incompetence to another. I have been involved in cases where the regulated party thought building a sedimentation pond was not an act of "common sense". Not everyone thinks a power plant is more important than a minnow. That is a fact Jack.

The world is never exactly what anyone wants it to be. We all live with that. One party wants to go North. The other party wants to go South. We all end up going east and west.

Cattle Today has a culture. I don't think I am unique in observing that. It is largely a Christian Conservative Culture. Yes, I have said that at least 5 times before this. Imagine if you will that the whole world is NOT a Christian Conservative Culture. Imagine that there are people who "sincerely" value a minnow or a rare orchid more than a power plant. To the culture of CT, they are "stupid idiots without common sense". So be it. Call them what ever strikes your fancy. The question is this: does your label for them change anything?

Imagine, if you will, if it was...


HD, I don't think we could stand that many whiners. Before you doubt those words, take into consideration that over 50 % of the posts here not related to cattle are whining about something.
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Re: So ashamed. I forgot all about Earth Day.

Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:01 am

I value a power plant over a minnow.
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Re: So ashamed. I forgot all about Earth Day.

Postby True Grit Farms » Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:52 am

A minnow is good bait.
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Re: So ashamed. I forgot all about Earth Day.

Postby john250 » Tue May 02, 2017 10:17 am

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:I value a power plant over a minnow.

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Re: So ashamed. I forgot all about Earth Day.

Postby john250 » Tue May 02, 2017 10:28 am

I watched a lot of "earth day"/"science day" on TV. It was mostly a Bernie Sanders/socialism promo. If I can still vote, I'll vote against that. Stalin went after the farmers first. We, in this biz should never forget that. Communism kills.
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