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Re: Fixing a Mud Hole

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:06 pm
by Brute 23
I don't think rock alone will solve your problem. A hoof can punch down thru rock if you don't bind it with some thing and pack it right. That's a lot of weight per sq in

Focus on draining the swamp. Use the dirt from cutting ditches to elevate the problem area.

Re: Fixing a Mud Hole

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:15 pm
by skyhightree1
True Grit Farms wrote:I hope Jogeephus will chime in on this subject, he works in a swamp. We put rail road rock in the creek crossings and drive log trucks across them all the time. And after the second load of rock there's usually no problems.


Here that wouldn't work

slick4591 wrote:
skyhightree1 wrote:Can you drive in it scoop most out?


I might be able to once it dries out a little. Putting equipment in there right now would probably just make it worse. We are under a flash flood watch at the moment so it's a waiting game now.


I understand

Re: Fixing a Mud Hole

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:44 am
by pdfangus
put down some filter fabric before you put down any rock....put the rock on top of the filter fabric and then you will have a bottom....big rocks first and then smaller rock on top....

get your nrcs and soil and water district folks to come out and look at it....they can at the very least give you some ideas and probably design a fix....

Re: Fixing a Mud Hole

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:05 am
by zirlottkim
I've been using a concrete byproduct in driveways and water areas. Around here they call it clincker. Im not even sure what it is. Its very powdery and needs to be rained on soon after but dries and packs its almost like cement . Its seems better on hooves than rocks and really tightens the ground up. Its about 20% cheaper than rocks too. Maybe use fill dirt first and clinker on top.

Re: Fixing a Mud Hole

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:26 am
by pdfangus
we have used a product referred to as decreted concrete ....sounds like the same thing...

our local source dried up and have not tried to find it lately....we have used it to fix some erosion problems in the past....

Re: Fixing a Mud Hole

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:28 am
by skyhightree1
pdfangus wrote:we have used a product referred to as decreted concrete ....sounds like the same thing...

our local source dried up and have not tried to find it lately....we have used it to fix some erosion problems in the past....


pdf its a good hike from you but slag from the steel mill in Petersburg does good for that too.

Re: Fixing a Mud Hole

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:31 am
by pdfangus
good to know....

Re: Fixing a Mud Hole

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:19 pm
by Jogeephus
True Grit Farms wrote:I hope Jogeephus will chime in on this subject, he works in a swamp. We put rail road rock in the creek crossings and drive log trucks across them all the time. And after the second load of rock there's usually no problems.


The rock works good if you have a hard bottom but if its what we call yella baby shyt the rock will just get pressed down into the earth. With a soft bottom you need to lay geofabric like suggested. Lay it down first then put the rock on top of it like you suggested. I have a stream crossing done this way that always gave trouble. I went ahead and sprung for the fabric and its been good for over 20 years now.

Re: Fixing a Mud Hole

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:54 pm
by talltimber
zirlottkim wrote:I've been using a concrete byproduct in driveways and water areas. Around here they call it clincker. Im not even sure what it is. Its very powdery and needs to be rained on soon after but dries and packs its almost like cement . Its seems better on hooves than rocks and really tightens the ground up. Its about 20% cheaper than rocks too. Maybe use fill dirt first and clinker on top.


We have a lime by product that's called Code L that we occasionally use to remediate soil when we are in that area, especially. We use it mostly to stabilize areas like the OP describes and is too wet and/or in too big of a hurry to wait on it to air dry, even with scarifying. Our process, if placing soil fill in lifts, is to place soil, scarify, place Code L, scarify to mix, repeat until the area is filled if possible. If you don't get done, or break down, you sometimes have a problem if its hot weather and drying really fast. That stuff sets up quick with just the ground moisture, which is mostly very wet or even mud, else you wouldn't be using Code L to begin with. Very good material. They used to just give it away, until they figured out how good it was.

Re: Fixing a Mud Hole

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:52 pm
by slick4591
Overhead view shows red lines where this bog is. Would putting in another entry at the top corner (single line) be less expensive? I could start work on that sooner than I can get in the bog? I can shut the lane down by closing an existing gate.

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Re: Fixing a Mud Hole

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:28 am
by D2Cat
The product you guys are describing is called "screenings" or BPA here. A lot of lime dust in it. Cheapest thing in the quarry, $3 ton. Tracks real bad until it gets wet a few times and set up, but then it's like concrete.

Re: Fixing a Mud Hole

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:26 am
by talltimber
Pretty close D2, but Code L is even finer than screenings. Powder basically. Screenings are good too though, especially for capping off, instead of remediation, so that would be an option for smoothing the top of the bridging material-the 2-3" clean.

There is a farm near me that has used screenings for mats for feeding hay in the winter. I hear it works great, can scrape it with front end loader it gets so solid.

Re: Fixing a Mud Hole

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:03 pm
by hurleyjd
Ever one has an idea on how to fix it. Me I would hire one of the local dirt contractors to fix it right for me and not skimp on material.

Re: Fixing a Mud Hole

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:40 pm
by D2Cat

Re: Fixing a Mud Hole

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:02 pm
by Jogeephus


This works too. Same principle.

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