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Re: China.....

Postby Caustic Burno » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:30 pm

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jltrent wrote:I wish we would tell every China ship headed our direction with their junk to turn it around and take it back home. Surely we can wean ourselves of their junk and the 375 billion trade imbalance we run with them every year.


Any part that I buy for my old tractors come from China, India, Turkey and some other foreign countries.


Is there an American made tractor other than name today?
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Postby Nesikep » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:32 pm

Would be nice to see SNAP taken out of the Agriculture portion too.. should go with SS or maybe health?


Hurley, the only reason we were able to get a water pump for our old Ford tractor was because India made one.. NLA from Ford, and even if it was, what would the price be? This one was $50.. Same goes for the starters, though they're usually still available from the dealers.. again, at a price!
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Postby hurleyjd » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:34 pm

boondocks wrote:I realize why they separate it out but to get a clearer picture, I guess you'd need to add, to the military costs, the veterans' costs (4%, which I do not for a minute begrudge them, was just surprised it was that high).
Measly 1% for science (and at that, I hear constant whining about how this or that study was absurd, biased, blah blah blah).
And the infrastructure and education pieces of the pie seem small, too.
Think it's time we bite the bullet (so to speak) and close down some of the obsolete military programs and bases that are left over from a different era. Shaving even a little from SS, health and military would let us invest better in science, education and infrastructure for the future.


Shut your mouth posters on here will accuse you of being liberal and Un-American.
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Postby sim.-ang.king » Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:37 am

boondocks wrote:I realize why they separate it out but to get a clearer picture, I guess you'd need to add, to the military costs, the veterans' costs (4%, which I do not for a minute begrudge them, was just surprised it was that high).
Measly 1% for science (and at that, I hear constant whining about how this or that study was absurd, biased, blah blah blah).
And the infrastructure and education pieces of the pie seem small, too.
Think it's time we bite the bullet (so to speak) and close down some of the obsolete military programs and bases that are left over from a different era. Shaving even a little from SS, health and military would let us invest better in science, education and infrastructure for the future.

Or, they could cut out the % you mentioned, and just give it back to the tax payers, instead of just moving it around to
a different government waste dump.
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Re: China.....

Postby sstterry » Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:16 am

Caustic Burno wrote:Medicaid is huge part for non-citizens and folks that never paid a dime to play. Illegal immigration has a tremendous cost. I think we need to get our own house in order before trying to feed the neighbors.


I will probably regret this, but here goes.

Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for Medicaid. However, when they have children on US soil, those children are US citizens and become eligible. The cost comes when the undocumented show up at an Emergency Dept. of a hospital and receive emergency treatment, such as delivering a baby. By law, they can't be turned away. Certain costs are reimbursed to the hospitals for those that never pay, both citizens and non-citizens. Those costs, as of 2017, amounted to about 1% of the Medicaid budget.

Programs such as WIC and other nutritional programs are a big cost though because illegal immigrants are entitled those benefits. Also, we do have to pay for their education in the public schools. But we have to also understand that it is the states that bear the biggest burden of illegal immigration through education, not the Federal govt.

The biggest problem with entitlements is that they were intended to be self-sustaining, but Congress started raiding the trust fund back in the 60's, 70's, and 80's (both parties) to make the budget more bearable. Now, with the baby boomer generation in their 60's and 70's the programs are top heavy.

I guess my point is that these are complicated issues and not as black and white as the politicians make them appear on either side. Is illegal immigration a problem, yes. But, is it as big a problem as it used to be, no, because illegal immigration has been falling for over a decade. Just because the politicians choose to make it an issue, does not mean that is the worst problem we have. Neither side wants to talk about our debt and the fact that we may very well be bankrupt in a few years. Nor do they want to address the fact that the U.S. owed China $1.2 trillion as of January 2018. Also, all of the GMO grain we now use, most of those patents are owned by foreign corporations. If they decide that they want to yank those, we will be hard-pressed to find enough seed grain to sustain our needs.

Just as I have discovered with raising cattle (and thank you all for the information and education you provide, I am learning a lot), nothing is as simple as it seems.
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Re: China.....

Postby Caustic Burno » Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:37 am

We are Mexico’s welfare system illegals cost us billions .
The rich country Mexico is loves the current system their idiot neighbor to the north is supplying food, medical and education for their citizens.
While at the same time we have citizens that don’t have the basics.
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Postby shaz » Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:33 am

We've got to start by reducing health care costs. Right now we have drug manufacturers and doctors charging whatever they want. I can't do that because I have competition. They don't. We need some illegal Mexican doctors.
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Re: China.....

Postby hurleyjd » Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:44 am

sstterry wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:Medicaid is huge part for non-citizens and folks that never paid a dime to play. Illegal immigration has a tremendous cost. I think we need to get our own house in order before trying to feed the neighbors.


I will probably regret this, but here goes.

Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for Medicaid. However, when they have children on US soil, those children are US citizens and become eligible. The cost comes when the undocumented show up at an Emergency Dept. of a hospital and receive emergency treatment, such as delivering a baby. By law, they can't be turned away. Certain costs are reimbursed to the hospitals for those that never pay, both citizens and non-citizens. Those costs, as of 2017, amounted to about 1% of the Medicaid budget.

Programs such as WIC and other nutritional programs are a big cost though because illegal immigrants are entitled those benefits. Also, we do have to pay for their education in the public schools. But we have to also understand that it is the states that bear the biggest burden of illegal immigration through education, not the Federal govt.

The biggest problem with entitlements is that they were intended to be self-sustaining, but Congress started raiding the trust fund back in the 60's, 70's, and 80's (both parties) to make the budget more bearable. Now, with the baby boomer generation in their 60's and 70's the programs are top heavy.

I guess my point is that these are complicated issues and not as black and white as the politicians make them appear on either side. Is illegal immigration a problem, yes. But, is it as big a problem as it used to be, no, because illegal immigration has been falling for over a decade. Just because the politicians choose to make it an issue, does not mean that is the worst problem we have. Neither side wants to talk about our debt and the fact that we may very well be bankrupt in a few years. Nor do they want to address the fact that the U.S. owed China $1.2 trillion as of January 2018. Also, all of the GMO grain we now use, most of those patents are owned by foreign corporations. If they decide that they want to yank those, we will be hard-pressed to find enough seed grain to sustain our needs.

Just as I have discovered with raising cattle (and thank you all for the information and education you provide, I am learning a lot), nothing is as simple as it seems.



"The biggest problem with entitlements is that they were intended to be self-sustaining, but Congress started raiding the trust fund back in the 60's, 70's, and 80's (both parties) to make the budget more bearable. Now, with the baby boomer generation in their 60's and 70's the programs are top heavy."

Every dollar taken from the trust funds were replaced with an interest bearing federal note. The interest income is nearly as great as the taxes received for SS participants. Now the note is due and the folks in government do not want to pay it. Trust funds own most of the national debt and not China.
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Re: China.....

Postby sstterry » Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:11 am

I agree with everything you said, but we do owe China 1.2 trillion in debt. The total debt is now over 24 trillion and growing. Neither side of the aisle can say they are against Gov't. spending after the last go around in Congress. The debt has risen about 4 1/2 Trillion in the past year alone. Congress needs to get a handle on this and fast!
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Postby Nesikep » Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:12 pm

sstterry wrote:I agree with everything you said, but we do owe China 1.2 trillion in debt. The total debt is now over 24 trillion and growing. Neither side of the aisle can say they are against Gov't. spending after the last go around in Congress. The debt has risen about 4 1/2 Trillion in the past year alone. Congress needs to get a handle on this and fast!


The debt has risen about 1 trillion over the last year.. I agree with you otherwise that everyone needs to start spending less
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/ ... dYear=2018

Also, baby boomers are getting to be well into their 70's now.
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Postby sstterry » Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:20 pm

Technically I am considered a "boomer" and I am 59....there is more to come
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Postby Bestoutwest » Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:30 pm

With addressing medical costs, one must realize that we are now able to do more medically than ever before. People who should have died, are living, and they're going longer than ever expected. I have a coworker who has twins that even 5 years before they had been born probably wouldn't have lived. I had heard that if she had had them at a different facility within our system, they probably wouldn't have lived. Now, they are on our dime. I am in a FB group for folks with my heart condition, and there are mothers asking about getting disability b/c their child has my condition. I do not now, nor have I ever gotten a dime from the government for my heart condition. Add in the fact that medical procedures are skyrocketing and we're losing money to beat the band.

As for military spending, it's out of control, but will never be reigned in because it really tugs at the heartstrings of the voters. Ex: the F35. I understand that it will do the job of at least two aging planes (the A-10, F-16 and F-18), but like all good farmers know, if it's not broke, why fix it? Let's be honest, we're Americans and we like to FEEL like we're #1 so we have to have the "biggest" and "baddest" military. In the grand scheme of things, though, that doesn't necessarily equal victory, as we have seen over and over again. Canada, Mexico, Britain, France, etc have nowhere near the military that we do, and none of them get invaded. In fact, I wonder how much of the animosity the rest of the world feels toward us BECAUSE of the size of our military? It's like the biggest guy in the bar, he better be tough b/c all the wannabe's are coming for him.
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Postby backhoeboogie » Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:10 pm

jltrent wrote:I wish we would tell every China ship headed our direction with their junk to turn it around and take it back home. Surely we can wean ourselves of their junk and the 375 billion trade imbalance we run with them every year.


We have become a throw away society. Everyone shops at WalMart or Amazon.com There's no one to blame but ourselves.
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Postby Nesikep » Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:47 pm

jltrent wrote:I wish we would tell every China ship headed our direction with their junk to turn it around and take it back home. Surely we can wean ourselves of their junk and the 375 billion trade imbalance we run with them every year.

You do realize it's all those American companies that are getting stuff made over there.. Walmart of course is the first that comes to mind, but let's not forget automakers, electronics, etc etc etc

If it weren't for China we'd be walking around naked within a year.. no shirts, no shoes, no socks.. not even a MAGA hat.
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Postby True Grit Farms » Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:03 pm

Nesikep wrote:
jltrent wrote:I wish we would tell every China ship headed our direction with their junk to turn it around and take it back home. Surely we can wean ourselves of their junk and the 375 billion trade imbalance we run with them every year.

You do realize it's all those American companies that are getting stuff made over there.. Walmart of course is the first that comes to mind, but let's not forget automakers, electronics, etc etc etc

If it weren't for China we'd be walking around naked within a year.. no shirts, no shoes, no socks.. not even a MAGA hat.


How can China manufacturer and import goods cheaper than US? My thinking is we let the liberals with the help of the EPA create this mess. The air quality in China is on par with the rain forest in Brazil. We'll be just fine if things keep going the way they are presently. All the right people aren't happy, so things are improving daily for the US of A.
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