LD Capitalist 316 or Musgrave 316 Stunner

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Re: LD Capitalist 316 or Musgrave 316 Stunner

Post by LCBulls » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:13 pm

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I just searched that Crackerjack bull. Looks like a really nice bull. Don’t really like 68 lb birth weight but he’s gotta be one of the better heifer bulls out there.
Yeah, that’s refreshing to hear. Most guys have been so brainwashed at sales that they think a calf born over 80 lbs is not worth even looking at.



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Re: LD Capitalist 316 or Musgrave 316 Stunner

Post by Josher » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:39 am

Seems like we have to help a lot more small newborns especially when the weather is cold versus having to help a cow calve because it’s too big. That’s where my dislike for the big push for low BW calves comes from. A little extra flesh really helps with survivability. I’m not saying that we need 100lb + calves, I just think 75-90lb is perfect. What is your ideal calf weight?

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Re: LD Capitalist 316 or Musgrave 316 Stunner

Post by LCBulls » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:16 pm

Josher wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:39 am
Seems like we have to help a lot more small newborns especially when the weather is cold versus having to help a cow calve because it’s too big. That’s where my dislike for the big push for low BW calves comes from. A little extra flesh really helps with survivability. I’m not saying that we need 100lb + calves, I just think 75-90lb is perfect. What is your ideal calf weight?
First Calf Heifers 70-80
Cows 80-90 although cows shouldn’t have a problem with 100 lb calf’s

Time of year/weather can have a big difference in calf sizes from ranch to ranch.

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Re: LD Capitalist 316 or Musgrave 316 Stunner

Post by LJCB » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:27 pm

LCBulls wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:54 pm
We don’t have as many 316 calves this year but the ones that we do have are pretty nice.
We bred some of our heifers to Stunner. I think you probably can flip a coin on which one to use. Stunners son Crackerjack looks awesome also
I think I’ll be using Cracker Jack this spring looks pretty good. Nothing extreme

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Re: LD Capitalist 316 or Musgrave 316 Stunner

Post by Josher » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:01 am

LJCB wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:27 pm
LCBulls wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:54 pm
We don’t have as many 316 calves this year but the ones that we do have are pretty nice.
We bred some of our heifers to Stunner. I think you probably can flip a coin on which one to use. Stunners son Crackerjack looks awesome also
I think I’ll be using Cracker Jack this spring looks pretty good. Nothing extreme
When u follow the sire side of the family tree it’s a pretty long list of solid bulls. Final answer, capitalist 028, capitalist 316, stunner 316.

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Re: LD Capitalist 316 or Musgrave 316 Stunner

Post by elkwc » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:05 pm

LCBulls wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:16 pm
Josher wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:39 am
Seems like we have to help a lot more small newborns especially when the weather is cold versus having to help a cow calve because it’s too big. That’s where my dislike for the big push for low BW calves comes from. A little extra flesh really helps with survivability. I’m not saying that we need 100lb + calves, I just think 75-90lb is perfect. What is your ideal calf weight?
First Calf Heifers 70-80
Cows 80-90 although cows shouldn’t have a problem with 100 lb calf’s

Time of year/weather can have a big difference in calf sizes from ranch to ranch.
We use the same weight parameters you do. I don't want any calves under 70 on heifers. IMO type is as important as the weight of a calf. This summer when looking for another bull I text a breeder who had over 10 big, growthy, heavy muscled bulls advertised. I asked him to send me info on all bulls with a BW 80 lbs or over. He sent a reply and said all BW's were in the 60-75 lb range. I told him thanks. I talked to a breeder who used CE bulls for several years. He said it got where a lot weren't passing the pelvic measurement requirement. So now has went to using higher BW bulls and now seeing an improvement. I have never understood the CE/low BW selection for bulls to be used on mature cows.

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Re: LD Capitalist 316 or Musgrave 316 Stunner

Post by LCBulls » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:05 am

For what it’s worth, I was told that Stunner doesn’t throw as many really small calves like LD 316 will do every once in awhile. They are still CE, just more consistent in size

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