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G A R Sunrise

Postby Birchum » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:32 am

Has anyone here used G A R Sunrise ?

I see Select Sires has him available sexed for heifers.
http://www.selectsiresbeef.com/index.php/bull-database-view-page/page?bid=253

He is on my short list.
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Re: G A R Sunrise

Postby Son of Butch » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:26 am

I don't know any more than what it says about him in the sire directory.
What interests you the most about him?
What's the criteria to make your list?

Appears you have been a long time lurker, :welcome: to posting hope you'll be joining in on more discussions.
Looking forward to hearing what you think of France. :)
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Re: G A R Sunrise

Postby frieghttrain » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:17 am

Son of Butch wrote:I don't know any more than what it says about him in the sire directory.
What interests you the most about him?
What's the criteria to make your list?

Appears you have been a long time lurker, :welcome: to posting hope you'll be joining in on more discussions.
Looking forward to hearing what you think of France. :)

Good grief. :roll:
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Re: G A R Sunrise

Postby Air gator » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:28 am

I would be a little concerned about his low SC. I thought he had the lowest epd for SC (-.61) but I looked up Connealy Confidence and CC's SC is lower at -.99. I'm not sure there would not be a better option with a higher SC.
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Re: G A R Sunrise

Postby wildcat2154 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:49 pm

I have only seen a few heifer calves, but have read he sires good feet and udders. I agree that the neg SC is a concern, what are you breeding for? Who else is on your list?
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Re: G A R Sunrise

Postby Birchum » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:35 pm

What interests me is his carcass qualities. I need to improve that area.
I started off with some bottle calves 5 years ago. They are half holstein, other half is angus.
Bull calves will be steered. I want the heifers.
Production I am ok with. Would like to see his milk less, but I can live with it here and there. Less milk is a priority. I am not a fan of him negative on his energy.

I did notice he is a 5 frame; yet 15th percentile for MH and 2nd percentile for MW. My cows are about a 5 frame and 1000 pounds. I have 3 Chisum heifers which really stand out out from the rest. I would imagine they will be another 150 pounds heavier. Got some body to them.

Speaking of Chisum, would someone like to school me.
Compare Chisum and Sunrise.
Why the huge difference in energy ?
Chisum
https://www.angus.org/Animal/EpdPedDtl.aspx?aid=FAAAAPOAEHQ1FdYA6jLwg5mTfouaVxKHMOpehnvhGqVGRTyp&time=LgAAAKj1WEy%2b287POoYCmcWROzi7ykzbDzYqVq7TPYZIi0piOXYohT96yIFJuag6ygcHig%3d%3d
Sunrise
https://www.angus.org/Animal/EpdPedDtl.aspx?aid=FAAAAG8o7CBHHGkA5TB18wQb%2bTdvycBS6fZE0FvrnRUaR1MR&time=LgAAAKj1WEy%2b287POoYCmcWROzgjUHl81VyQagrQoT5imj5IKWZ1AmSdUZ45NRz8xwmK0A%3d%3d

I did notice Sunrise was neg on SC. Not a fan, but I have noticed alot of bulls used in other pedigrees sparingly with neg SC. Bad with the good I guess looking at the whole package.
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Re: G A R Sunrise

Postby Son of Butch » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:37 am

Birchum wrote:What interests me is his carcass qualities. I need to improve that area.
I started off with some bottle calves 5 years ago. They are half holstein, other half is angus.

I did notice he is a 5 frame; yet 15th percentile for MH and 2nd percentile for MW. My cows are about a 5 frame and 1000 pounds. I have 3 Chisum heifers which really stand out out from the rest. I would imagine they will be another 150 pounds heavier. Got some body to them.

Compare Chisum and Sunrise.
Why the huge difference in energy ?
Chisum
https://www.angus.org/Animal/EpdPedDtl.aspx?aid=FAAAAPOAEHQ1FdYA6jLwg5mTfouaVxKHMOpehnvhGqVGRTyp&time=LgAAAKj1WEy%2b287POoYCmcWROzi7ykzbDzYqVq7TPYZIi0piOXYohT96yIFJuag6ygcHig%3d%3d
Sunrise
https://www.angus.org/Animal/EpdPedDtl.aspx?aid=FAAAAG8o7CBHHGkA5TB18wQb%2bTdvycBS6fZE0FvrnRUaR1MR&time=LgAAAKj1WEy%2b287POoYCmcWROzgjUHl81VyQagrQoT5imj5IKWZ1AmSdUZ45NRz8xwmK0A%3d%3d

Why the huge difference in energy?
The huge difference in mature cow Height and Weight makes Sunrise daughters more expensive to carry year round
verses Chisum.
In addition Sunrise has higher milk than Chisum, so their energy requirements while lactating is a good bit higher
and also adds to higher energy needs to breed back.

I'm a fan of Chisum, top 30% sc top 10% heifer pregnancy.
You can do better than Sunrise for what you want.
The mature cow height and weight and $EN with 95th % tile sc and 45th Hp would make him a no go for me
for anything that has holstein blood.

Herefords are good for knocking down the holstein heavy milk production.
Perhaps consider the polled hereford Durango at Select Sires or R294 at ABS
Black Baldies make nice cows and hereford would also add a round of heterosis while helping to keep milk production
under control.

P.S. White face calves are cute as all get out.
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Re: G A R Sunrise

Postby Birchum » Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:38 pm

I never knew mature cow Height and Weight had that effect on the energy epd. Guess I never gave it much thought.

Different subject.....the RADG and DMI.
Ideally, would one want RADG in the middle and DMI in the top percentile?
What are the tradeoffs ?
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Re: G A R Sunrise

Postby UG » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:11 am

First of all I want to provide a disclaimer that I haven't spent a lot of time studying RADG and DMI. I also haven't seen much from AAA in recent years regarding these two traits, and if the EPDs are accurately predicting feed efficiency and feed intake in cattle. That being said, following are my thoughts.

RADG: If I understand the trait correctly, a higher score indicates greater average daily gain on the same amount of feed. So, as long as I can keep the size of my cows at an acceptable frame score, I want as much RADG as possible. It would be interesting to see if there is much of a correlation between RADG and frame score.

DMI: In a perfect world I want my cows to have low DMI and my feeder cattle to have high DMI. But, we can't make high DMI calves from low DMI cows. So, if I was putting much selection pressure on DMI, I think I would aim for moderate DMI scores.
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Re: G A R Sunrise

Postby Air gator » Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:06 pm

There are some Gar Sunrise calves in the Pollard Farms sale in Sept. on Page 32.

http://www.angusjournal.com/salebooks/p ... pi/#page/1
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Re: G A R Sunrise

Postby Birchum » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:52 pm

I wouldnt mind a few of the 38A heifers in the catalog. Kinda where I would like to be; prefer milk in the teens.
Interesting the Dam was positive on SC, and the daughter mirrored Sunrise.
Would imagine that shows the emphasis on high accuaracy. Case in point ?

The RADG from what I am grasping will eventually lead to a heavy cow... :?

Wish there was more of a selection for heifer sexed straws.
Wouldnt mind using K C F Bennett Absolute
http://bullbarn.com/angblkepd.asp?ID=2379
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Re: G A R Sunrise

Postby boondocks » Mon May 21, 2018 1:08 am

Thought I'd resurrect this thread and post a couple of our Sunrise heifer calves. Just turned out today. They are 7-8 wks old. (They're the two reddish ones standing in the foreground. First time our calves haven't come out jet black).

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Re: G A R Sunrise

Postby boondocks » Sat May 26, 2018 12:30 am

no comments? :)
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sat May 26, 2018 9:07 am

Calves look good. Did you wait a little long to get them out on grass? or have you already gone through several paddocks?
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Re: G A R Sunrise

Postby Son of Butch » Sun May 27, 2018 1:25 am

UG wrote:First of all I want to provide a disclaimer that I haven't spent a lot of time studying RADG and DMI. I also haven't seen much from AAA in recent years regarding these two traits, and if the EPDs are accurately predicting feed efficiency and feed intake in cattle. That being said, following are my thoughts.

RADG: If I understand the trait correctly, a higher score indicates greater average daily gain on the same amount of feed. So, as long as I can keep the size of my cows at an acceptable frame score, I want as much RADG as possible. It would be interesting to see if there is much of a correlation between RADG and frame score.

DMI: In a perfect world I want my cows to have low DMI and my feeder cattle to have high DMI. But, we can't make high DMI calves from low DMI cows. So, if I was putting much selection pressure on DMI, I think I would aim for moderate DMI scores.

Old posting, but I use $EN and $F and I pay little to zero attention to DMI and RADG.
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