Best Angus Bull for Replacement Heifers

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Re: Best Angus Bull for Replacement Heifers

Postby Air gator » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:34 pm

Right answer is another bull that people who have Right Answers like Right Answers.
I like the last one the best I think. He is a Pathfinder king right now. There are some Right Answer cows with sons with A.I. companies now...Can't think of one but I have seen a couple.
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Re: Best Angus Bull for Replacement Heifers

Postby Till-Hill » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:53 pm

Son of Butch wrote:No such thing as one size fits all as 'the best' - Connealy Consensus - Hoover Dam - Right Answer
could be the best choice for different reasons ... I have to go with Right Answer... bcs it's says so in his name :)

And that's why we used this guy sexed too. Was little spendy but using the sexed ultra semen I'm hearing good conception rates. All our blacks that were not Right Answer we used him on.

http://www.stgen.com/sire-directory/bee ... eef-cattle
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Re: Best Angus Bull for Replacement Heifers

Postby Son of Butch » Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:28 pm

Tbrake wrote:
Air gator wrote:Thank you all for the feedback
I am surprised that no one mentioned Summit from Select Sires. He looks the part...but his $B number is great.

Tbrake,
Curious as to why you chose Renown over Resource? I like Chisum myself but haven't used him. Do Right Answer females get fat too easy? I'm assuming they are tough to get bred is they are too fat?
I chose reknown because what I read on here. Several people bragging on the extra thickness on reknown. I have no personal experience with either bull. Hope I don't regret it. Chisum is awesome. Hope I don't regret not breeding to him this year. Right answer cows gain wait very easily. I will post some pictures of them here when I can figure it out. I had 3 of them in a group of older cows I aied month ago, don't think any of them took. Put heat patches back on them and looks as if bull took care of them

BSE,
I think I have the nicest Angus heifer I have ever had out of OCC Juneau and a Leachman Right Time cow (Coleman Blackbird 256).

wbvs58,
Whenever I look at the catalog I wonder who is better....Thunderbird or Platinum.

Baldie,
I am uncomfortable with the idea of using a clone for purebred cattle. That's just me.

A few highlights from 2017 Pathfinder report

2015 Hoover Dam 55 eligible daughters 9 pathfinders = 16.4%
added 240 daughters and 22 pathfinders = 9.2%
2016 Hoover Dam 295 eligible daughters 31 pathfinders = 10.5%
he added 448 eligible daughters and 24 pathfinders = 5.4%
2017 Hoover Dam 743 dau. 55 pathfinders = 7.4%

2015 Right Answer 77 eligible daus. 9 pathfinders = 11.7%
added 135 eligible daughters and 19 pathfinders = 14.1%
2016 Right Answer 212 eligible daus. 28 pathfinders = 13.2%
added 217 eligible dau. and 23 pathfinders = 10.6%
2017 Right Answer 429 dau. 51 pathfinders = 11.9%

Last year's 2 rising stars Consensus 7229 and War Party

2016 Consensus 7229 55 eligible dau 14 pathfinders = 25.5%
added 414 daus and 53 pathfinders = 12.8%
2017 Consensus 7229 469 dau 67 pathfinders = 14.3%

2016 War Party 87 eligible daughters 14 pathfinders = 16%
added 153 eligible daughters and 31 pathfinders = 20.3%
2017 War Party 240 daughters 45 pathfinders = 18.75%

We had 2 War Party heifers calve this year and he appears to be a real udder improver.
I think using him on Right Answer daughters will produce some very nice cows.
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Re: Best Angus Bull for Replacement Heifers

Postby Air gator » Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:22 pm

Butch,
I think you overlooked Connnealy In Focus 4925.
111 daughters, 29 Pathfinders. A whopping 26%.
Of course, he died.

War Party seems to be a bull that flew under the radar.
I think the late KLR angus used him a lot.
7229 may be the best value at stud for $20 a straw.
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Re: Best Angus Bull for Replacement Heifers

Postby Tbrake » Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:28 pm

I really like the numbers of j edger hoover. Anyone have calves out of him? Doesn't seem to have much of a name, but his numbers seem to be very good.
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Re: Best Angus Bull for Replacement Heifers

Postby Son of Butch » Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:37 am

bse wrote:WMR Timeless 458, I like Right Time in there somewhere which Right Answer has, but for me
I don't want high CED and negative BW in my replacements.

Why wouldn't CED 10 + and +2.5 BW 12 CEM be close to ideal?
I can understand not wanting minus birth weights, but why hate calving ease direct if it comes with plus birth weight?
70 angus sires are ced 8 or better and 2.0 bw or more

New Breed Average ced 7 bw +1.4 cem 9

Pathfinder Future Stars?
WMR Timeless 130 eligible daughters 29 pathfinders = 22%
S Summit 33 eligible daughters 12 pathfinders = 36% (his outrageously high % has to drop by 1/3 when he gets 100 dau)
Coleman Regis 167 eligible dau 24 pathfinders = 14%
AAR TEN X 79 eligible daughters 12 pathfinders = 15%

I think Timeless and War Party daughters flew under the radar because many viewed them as growth/carcass bulls.
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Re: Best Angus Bull for Replacement Heifers

Postby Air gator » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:26 pm

Butch,
Help me out. Which bull has +10 CED, +2.5 BW and +12 CEM?
Thanks.
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Re: Best Angus Bull for Replacement Heifers

Postby Son of Butch » Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:17 pm

Air gator wrote:Butch,
Help me out. Which bull has +10 CED, +2.5 BW and +12 CEM?
Thanks.

Here's a half dozen that roughly fit that criteria

Stucky Daybreak reg 16623408
ced 11 bw 2.5 cem 13

Slveras Style reg 16427563
ced 10 bw 2.6 (.90) cem 15 with $EN 13.86

Styles Cashed In 58 reg 17869198
cem 10 bw 2.3 (acc .74) cem 14 with $EN -4.87 $B 158

Connealy Spur reg 17304082
ced 10 bw 2.9 (acc .85) cem 10

VAR Xfinity reg 17455084
ced 10 bw 2.1 (acc .70) cem 10

Rampage reg 16925771
ced 10 bw 2.2 (acc .95) cem 10 with $B-184

Woodland Foremost reg 17198358
ced 11 bw 2.5 (acc .76) cem 11 with $EN -9 $B-155
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Re: Best Angus Bull for Replacement Heifers

Postby bse » Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:06 am

butch
Im going back to trying to make females, im over the number game!! if a bull I like has High CED I can live with that, but from my own personal experience it doesn't work that way. My best bred heifers are Rainmkr 11127(15734469) and In Focus 4925(15491720) ive seen these in production along with Timeless. some of the bulls you listed above wouldn't have enough milk for me to try and make replacements with, and a couple are ok!! Im going to straight sexed semen and try and make the type females that work for me. Heifer bulls wont be used on my mature females.
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Re: Best Angus Bull for Replacement Heifers

Postby kdpihf » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:18 pm

How about Alap of Wye, not mainstream
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Re: Best Angus Bull for Replacement Heifers

Postby jdg » Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:41 am

Alap is really good at cleaning up udders and making extremely feminine daughters that are slick hided...his son's are usually middle of the road or worse, depending on where you think the middle of the road lies. If you are breeding strictly for building your herd, he might be a good choice. Interestingly, one time when i was visiting his owner, David Freeman, i got to sleep with Alap, who was stuffed from the neck up in the basement. ;)

Oliver family angus has used Alap successfully to create some drop dead gorgeous, southern adapted true black angus cattle. Ed was one of the only true breeders i've ever had the pleasure of meeting, line-breeding past the point most would dare to go. His cattle have tremendous prepotency, and are best suited to moderate and feminize inefficient herds of terminal and oversized, ill-adapted cattle. I've had the fortune of buying bulls and heifers from Ed before he passed, and have also become good friends with his son Spencer, who is there now carrying forth the breeding legacy Ed began almost 40 years ago. Ed was one of the great students of the Graham Angus program in Albany,GA, before they took a turn for the mainstream in the 80's breeding for numbers. Then he became a student of the Wye Herd in Maryland, and built his legacy around those closed breeding programs. I miss Ed's wit and honesty, but I see his mark on the world every time i check on my cows, and I know how pleased he is to see the continued progress made in his life's work on his pastures.

One's selection for a bull for replacement heifers has a lot to do with one's environment and forage/feed program. A lot of the popular bulls i've seen mentioned here, raised in cooler, hard grass environments, just don't flourish in my low input, hot humid Ga neck of the woods. They certainly might on other farms.
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Re: Best Angus Bull for Replacement Heifers

Postby Tbrake » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:28 am

For the people for like Hoover dam, how do the bulls/steers grow? I see his yw is only around 85. How are his calves attitude? Chisum calves I have are almost to calm. Can't load them, can't shooo them. Just want to stand there and look at me.
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Re: Best Angus Bull for Replacement Heifers

Postby NEFarmwife » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:15 am

Son of Butch wrote:
Air gator wrote:Butch,
Help me out. Which bull has +10 CED, +2.5 BW and +12 CEM?
Thanks.

Here's a half dozen that roughly fit that criteria

Stucky Daybreak reg 16623408
ced 11 bw 2.5 cem 13

Slveras Style reg 16427563
ced 10 bw 2.6 (.90) cem 15 with $EN 13.86

Styles Cashed In 58 reg 17869198
cem 10 bw 2.3 (acc .74) cem 14 with $EN -4.87 $B 158

Connealy Spur reg 17304082
ced 10 bw 2.9 (acc .85) cem 10

VAR Xfinity reg 17455084
ced 10 bw 2.1 (acc .70) cem 10

Rampage reg 16925771
ced 10 bw 2.2 (acc .95) cem 10 with $B-184


Woodland Foremost reg 17198358
ced 11 bw 2.5 (acc .76) cem 11 with $EN -9 $B-155


I looked up Rampage's reg. Do you consider docility at all? Our herd are easy to work and handle. I know there is a bit more to factor than simply genetics but some cattle are just stubborn and psycho. Doc isn't extremely important to us when looking at EPD's but I feel that would be enough to steer us away. Any feedback on their nature?
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Re: Best Angus Bull for Replacement Heifers

Postby Bovine breeder » Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:41 pm

I have a rampage son at home being used for cleanup and he is an absolute puppy dog. Can scratch him on the head anytime. I've been around many others and they've all been okay in my opinion. And I don't put up with crazy ones. His EPD for that trait has not followed what I've seen from his calves much, in my experience.
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Re: Best Angus Bull for Replacement Heifers

Postby gizmom » Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:53 pm

I think we will be using Charlo and Sensation on heifers this year

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