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Re: Broadway AI bull.

Postby Son of Butch » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:53 am

Cada22 wrote:I am strongly considering Broadway for my Angus/Holstein cross heifers after they calve in the Fall.
Is the 26 milk epd too high here though?

I think so as simmental is 3-4 lbs more than angus putting it at nearly 30 on angus scale, angus breed ave. 24
so if you want to use simmental on cow with1/2 holstein blood I'd suggest staying well under 21 on simmental scale.

To knock milk down the go to breeds are:
1. Hereford
2. Limo
3. Maine-Anjou
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Re: Broadway AI bull.

Postby Cada22 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:03 am

Son of Butch wrote:
Cada22 wrote:I am strongly considering Broadway for my Angus/Holstein cross heifers after they calve in the Fall.
Is the 26 milk epd too high here though?

I think so as simmental is 3-4 lbs more than angus putting it at nearly 30 on angus scale, angus breed ave. 24
so if you want to use simmental on cow with1/2 holstein blood I'd suggest staying well under 21 on simmental scale.


Thank you very much for the info

To knock milk down the go to breeds are:
1. Hereford
2. Limo
3. Maine-Anjou
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Re: Broadway AI bull.

Postby Cada22 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:36 am

Are there any low milk SIMM bulls that fit this scenario?
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Re: Broadway AI bull.

Postby Till-Hill » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:32 am

Cada22 wrote:Are there any low milk SIMM bulls that fit this scenario?

I have a lot of experience doing what you are doing. Adding flesh to them Holstein cross cows is a lot more important than taking away some of the milk in my trials with it. We got 50-60 of them running around here, Spring and Fall calving.

Simmental bull I have the best luck with is: http://www.universalsemensales.com/bree ... start-r238

Cheap semen, use him on heifers and cows and he makes awfully good steers and some great momma cows on that cross.
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Re: Broadway AI bull.

Postby FlyingLSimmentals » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:00 pm

Might look at HTP SVF In Dew Time. Milk an 8.2
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Re: Broadway AI bull.

Postby Till-Hill » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:21 pm

FlyingLSimmentals wrote:Might look at HTP SVF In Dew Time. Milk an 8.2


Terrible udder shape on the 15 or 20 we have had here. Culled a 3 year old cow few years ago with tits size of a 2 liter bottle.
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Re: Broadway AI bull.

Postby Stocker Steve » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:24 pm

Till-Hill wrote:
FlyingLSimmentals wrote:Might look at HTP SVF In Dew Time. Milk an 8.2


Terrible udder shape on the 15 or 20 we have had here. Culled a 3 year old cow few years ago with tits size of a 2 liter bottle.


Genex claims great females with excellent udders? What happened? Is it a Ho thing?
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Re: Broadway AI bull.

Postby Till-Hill » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:27 pm

Mine were all pure beef animals. Some some high dollar deals. Even a flush I did at home. I got semen left on him I wouldn't use on a holstein
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Re: Broadway AI bull.

Postby Cada22 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:38 am

Till-Hill wrote:
Cada22 wrote:Are there any low milk SIMM bulls that fit this scenario?

I have a lot of experience doing what you are doing. Adding flesh to them Holstein cross cows is a lot more important than taking away some of the milk in my trials with it. We got 50-60 of them running around here, Spring and Fall calving.

Simmental bull I have the best luck with is: http://www.universalsemensales.com/bree ... start-r238

Cheap semen, use him on heifers and cows and he makes awfully good steers and some great momma cows on that cross.


Good looking bull that I will check more into. What kind of supplemental feeding do you have to do to get cows of this cross to breed back quickly?
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Re: Broadway AI bull.

Postby Till-Hill » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:50 am

Cada22 wrote:
Till-Hill wrote:
Cada22 wrote:Are there any low milk SIMM bulls that fit this scenario?

I have a lot of experience doing what you are doing. Adding flesh to them Holstein cross cows is a lot more important than taking away some of the milk in my trials with it. We got 50-60 of them running around here, Spring and Fall calving.

Simmental bull I have the best luck with is: http://www.universalsemensales.com/bree ... start-r238

Cheap semen, use him on heifers and cows and he makes awfully good steers and some great momma cows on that cross.


Good looking bull that I will check more into. What kind of supplemental feeding do you have to do to get cows of this cross to breed back quickly?
Spring cows are treated same as regular stock cows, grass in summer and hay in winter. Falls get a 94% Roughage TMR in winter, very little or no corn/corn silage. They hang right in there. Key is to get weight back on them after you wean calves.
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Re: Broadway AI bull.

Postby Cada22 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:48 am

Till-Hill wrote:
Cada22 wrote:
Till-Hill wrote:I have a lot of experience doing what you are doing. Adding flesh to them Holstein cross cows is a lot more important than taking away some of the milk in my trials with it. We got 50-60 of them running around here, Spring and Fall calving.

Simmental bull I have the best luck with is: http://www.universalsemensales.com/bree ... start-r238

Cheap semen, use him on heifers and cows and he makes awfully good steers and some great momma cows on that cross.


Good looking bull that I will check more into. What kind of supplemental feeding do you have to do to get cows of this cross to breed back quickly?
Spring cows are treated same as regular stock cows, grass in summer and hay in winter. Falls get a 94% Roughage TMR in winter, very little or no corn/corn silage. They hang right in there. Key is to get weight back on them after you wean calves.


Good to know. How long do you wait to breed them back after calving?
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Re: Broadway AI bull.

Postby Till-Hill » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:53 am

We calve in under 90 day window. So bull goes out same time every year. You want on average cow to breed back 85 days post Calving to maintain a 12 month Calving interval
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Re: Broadway AI bull.

Postby Lucky_P » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:00 pm

PRS Blazin' Hot W192: https://www.cattlevisions.com/detail.php?BullId=3306

We've used him quite a bit, and have several really nice daughters coming on... I'd not really noticed his low milk epd (4.5) until just recently... as we were more concerned with other traits. First daughters will calve out next year... we'll see if they have 'enough' milk... their dams sure do.
I'm not sure how a 4.5 Simmental milk epd stacks up against an Angus milk epd... but he's in the bottom 1% of the breed. Might be a good choice to 'dry up' some HO-X cows... and still get nice growthy, docile steers/heifers out of the deal.
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Re: Broadway AI bull.

Postby Cada22 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:21 pm

Lucky_P wrote:PRS Blazin' Hot W192: https://www.cattlevisions.com/detail.php?BullId=3306

We've used him quite a bit, and have several really nice daughters coming on... I'd not really noticed his low milk epd (4.5) until just recently... as we were more concerned with other traits. First daughters will calve out next year... we'll see if they have 'enough' milk... their dams sure do.
I'm not sure how a 4.5 Simmental milk epd stacks up against an Angus milk epd... but he's in the bottom 1% of the breed. Might be a good choice to 'dry up' some HO-X cows... and still get nice growthy, docile steers/heifers out of the deal.


Does he throw baldies?
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Re: Broadway AI bull.

Postby Lucky_P » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:28 pm

Yep. Every Blazin Hot calf I can remember was a baldy... all the daughters we've retained were; most with some chrome on legs or underline, as well... but the base cowherd has a strong Simmental background (and some Holstein several generations back behind some of them), so some of the chrome is coming from the dam side.
Will be disappointing if these BH daughters are dry... 'cause they sure are nice.
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