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Transfer Paperwork

Postby NEFarmwife » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:14 pm

For those of you who purchase registered angus, how long is an average turn around time for you in receiving your paperwork after purchase?

Our past experiences have been quick. Getting antsy but feeling like my expectations might be set too high.
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Re: Transfer Paperwork

Postby bse » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:28 pm

Depends on the seller. Sometimes quick, sometimes not. I send the paperwork the day there sold, however sold 1 last June didnt get the papers back to forward to the guy just figured he stored them electronically, not the case at all, they were lost, just found out. So I wish he had called me in 30 days so I could fix it. So a call is not a bad thing if thats what you need to do.
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Re: Transfer Paperwork

Postby Luckiamute » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:31 pm

It depends. Did you buy your cattle from a farm or ranch (private party) or at a sale? I know it usually takes at least four weeks to receive the registration papers from a lot of the purebred state-sponsored sales, based on my personal experience.
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Re: Transfer Paperwork

Postby SchenkAngusFarm » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:26 am

Most people do it in a month. It can vary but a month is about right as long as it wasn't a super large sale.
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Re: Transfer Paperwork

Postby NEFarmwife » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:42 am

Ours has been just over two months and counting. My husband and I have either emailed or texted him with no response. Which is what makes me feel a bit more antsy. This was his first inaugural sale and he had close to or right around 50 head to sell. We spoke to another buyer who actually consigned on that sale and he says he hasn't gotten his either. Maybe I'll have him reach out to this man and see what is going on.
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Re: Transfer Paperwork

Postby SchenkAngusFarm » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:36 am

I'd stay on him. I can tell you we bought two from a big sale for over $5K each and we haven't received ours and it's been a year. I am less than pleased.
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Re: Transfer Paperwork

Postby kenny thomas » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:46 am

That tells me that if they don't care enough for,the customer to do the paperwork promptly then how are they keeping good records of bw, ww, and such. Maybe just making those numbers up as they go along.
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Re: Transfer Paperwork

Postby True Grit Farms » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:06 am

kenny thomas wrote:That tells me that if they don't care enough for,the customer to do the paperwork promptly then how are they keeping good records of bw, ww, and such. Maybe just making those numbers up as they go along.

Dead on KT, a good responsible breeder always checks back with their customers. Heck some breeders on here even send Christmas and thankyou care packages.
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Re: Transfer Paperwork

Postby NEFarmwife » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:14 pm

SchenkAngusFarm wrote:I'd stay on him. I can tell you we bought two from a big sale for over $5K each and we haven't received ours and it's been a year. I am less than pleased.

What on earth do you do when you want to register a new calf?

I'd lose my mind, waiting that long!
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Re: Transfer Paperwork

Postby NEFarmwife » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:24 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:
kenny thomas wrote:That tells me that if they don't care enough for,the customer to do the paperwork promptly then how are they keeping good records of bw, ww, and such. Maybe just making those numbers up as they go along.

Dead on KT, a good responsible breeder always checks back with their customers. Heck some breeders on here even send Christmas and thankyou care packages.

No Xmas cards or thank you packages but we do have a customer appreciation fireworks show that everyone really enjoys attending. I should consider Christmas cards, very thoughtful gesture that seems to be disappearing.

Good point on records. He did make contact with my husband this past Friday and said we "slipped thru" and he's on top of it now. We shall see.
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Re: Transfer Paperwork

Postby MRRherefords » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:49 pm

We send Christmas cards and Thank you letters to each of our customers, although we are a smaller operation and can do that. Customer satisfaction is very important to us and I always try to check at least once with our customers to see how their animal is doing. IMO that shows confidence in your animals which is what we strive for. I also try to transfer paper ASAP after receiving the money, because once they pay and take the animal it is theirs and they rightfully deserve everything that goes with it namely the registration paper.
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Re: Transfer Paperwork

Postby SchenkAngusFarm » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:59 pm

NEFarmwife wrote:
SchenkAngusFarm wrote:I'd stay on him. I can tell you we bought two from a big sale for over $5K each and we haven't received ours and it's been a year. I am less than pleased.

What on earth do you do when you want to register a new calf?

I'd lose my mind, waiting that long!


Yeah, it has been a disaster. We bought them open but they were not cheap. I don't want to give away too much but they were full blooded SAV's coming out of a complete dispersal. We were bidding against Deer Valley if that tells you the quality.

My father is calmer than me and he bought them so it's on him. So far they have produced all females so he has just turned them into recips. Either way, it's not ideal.

Because of that I don't buy at sales where I don't know the people anymore or at least have a good conversation. Some guys are good cattlemen and bad with keeping paperwork. I have no doubt the numbers on these are legit but they are essentially a business loss given that we can't do anything with them in terms of registration.
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Re: Transfer Paperwork

Postby Luckiamute » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:52 pm

SchenkAngusFarm wrote:
NEFarmwife wrote:
SchenkAngusFarm wrote:I'd stay on him. I can tell you we bought two from a big sale for over $5K each and we haven't received ours and it's been a year. I am less than pleased.

What on earth do you do when you want to register a new calf?

I'd lose my mind, waiting that long!


Yeah, it has been a disaster. We bought them open but they were not cheap. I don't want to give away too much but they were full blooded SAV's coming out of a complete dispersal. We were bidding against Deer Valley if that tells you the quality.

My father is calmer than me and he bought them so it's on him. So far they have produced all females so he has just turned them into recips. Either way, it's not ideal.

Because of that I don't buy at sales where I don't know the people anymore or at least have a good conversation. Some guys are good cattlemen and bad with keeping paperwork. I have no doubt the numbers on these are legit but they are essentially a business loss given that we can't do anything with them in terms of registration.


Was there a sale manager or management group in charge of the sale that you can contact? How about contacting the American Angus Association for help?
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Re: Transfer Paperwork

Postby NEFarmwife » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:43 am

Luckiamute wrote:
SchenkAngusFarm wrote:
NEFarmwife wrote:What on earth do you do when you want to register a new calf?

I'd lose my mind, waiting that long!


Yeah, it has been a disaster. We bought them open but they were not cheap. I don't want to give away too much but they were full blooded SAV's coming out of a complete dispersal. We were bidding against Deer Valley if that tells you the quality.

My father is calmer than me and he bought them so it's on him. So far they have produced all females so he has just turned them into recips. Either way, it's not ideal.

Because of that I don't buy at sales where I don't know the people anymore or at least have a good conversation. Some guys are good cattlemen and bad with keeping paperwork. I have no doubt the numbers on these are legit but they are essentially a business loss given that we can't do anything with them in terms of registration.


Was there a sale manager or management group in charge of the sale that you can contact? How about contacting the American Angus Association for help?

That is a good question because I wondered how I'd go about "forcing" transfer. There have to be protections in place.
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Re: Transfer Paperwork

Postby SchenkAngusFarm » Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:38 pm

Luckiamute wrote:
SchenkAngusFarm wrote:
NEFarmwife wrote:What on earth do you do when you want to register a new calf?

I'd lose my mind, waiting that long!


Yeah, it has been a disaster. We bought them open but they were not cheap. I don't want to give away too much but they were full blooded SAV's coming out of a complete dispersal. We were bidding against Deer Valley if that tells you the quality.

My father is calmer than me and he bought them so it's on him. So far they have produced all females so he has just turned them into recips. Either way, it's not ideal.

Because of that I don't buy at sales where I don't know the people anymore or at least have a good conversation. Some guys are good cattlemen and bad with keeping paperwork. I have no doubt the numbers on these are legit but they are essentially a business loss given that we can't do anything with them in terms of registration.


Was there a sale manager or management group in charge of the sale that you can contact? How about contacting the American Angus Association for help?


He's trying to help me with it. I have the guy's cell phone and have been trying to call it.

My thought it that eventually the Angus Association is going to have to go to instant transfers. Get rid of all of the paper certificates and move only to e-filing. It takes all of 30 seconds to transfer. I've just heard of these problems popping up too often for a lot of different reasons.
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