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3F Epic Sire

Postby NEFarmwife » Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:10 pm

Anyone use him? I used some resources on Angus.org to pull in some numbers that were important to us and it only arrived at 3, one happened to be this guy. https://www.angus.org/Animal/EpdPedDtl. ... OVBg%3d%3d

We're heavy SAV on our commercial herd and that's what we'd use him on if he is husband approved.
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Re: 3F Epic Sire

Postby jscunn » Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:23 pm

Out of Curiosity who were the other 2.

Express had a few in one of their sales that looked pretty good. you can probably still find videos of those animals if you want to.
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Re: 3F Epic Sire

Postby SchenkAngusFarm » Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:34 pm

I have not used 3F Epic but I know Deer Valley is starting to use him. They are so meticulous about their genetics that I could not imagine him not being a good bull if they were using him.
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Re: 3F Epic Sire

Postby Son of Butch » Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:56 pm

His ce 14 bw -1.4 to yw 152 spread has to be one of the highest of any proven bull around.
66 cw $F 132 $B 173
I haven't seen any calves, but I bet I'd love to have a feedlot full of his steer calves.
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Re: 3F Epic Sire

Postby NEFarmwife » Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:34 pm

jscunn wrote:Out of Curiosity who were the other 2.

Express had a few in one of their sales that looked pretty good. you can probably still find videos of those animals if you want to.

I’ll let you know when I get back home. I printed them out, along with the parameters I used.
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Re: 3F Epic Sire

Postby NEFarmwife » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:25 pm

NEFarmwife wrote:
jscunn wrote:Out of Curiosity who were the other 2.

Express had a few in one of their sales that looked pretty good. you can probably still find videos of those animals if you want to.

I’ll let you know when I get back home. I printed them out, along with the parameters I used.


JVC Cavalry 4803 https://www.angus.org/Animal/EpdPedDtl. ... dSYw%3d%3d

Stenberg Coalition 972 https://www.angus.org/Animal/EpdPedDtl. ... 1n6w%3d%3d

My parameters, I asked for a minimum of CED 10, WW 80, YW 100, CEM 10, and $B 150. It returned just the 3.
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Re: 3F Epic Sire

Postby jscunn » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:51 pm

drop the WW to 70 and it gives you more options. (just a thought). Epic might still be the best choice in both groups.
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Re: 3F Epic Sire

Postby SchenkAngusFarm » Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:40 pm

jscunn wrote:drop the WW to 70 and it gives you more options. (just a thought). Epic might still be the best choice in both groups.


I agree on that move. Never like to tell someone else what to do but there are plenty of good bulls in the 75-79 range in WW.
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Re: 3F Epic Sire

Postby NEFarmwife » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:10 pm

SchenkAngusFarm wrote:
jscunn wrote:drop the WW to 70 and it gives you more options. (just a thought). Epic might still be the best choice in both groups.


I agree on that move. Never like to tell someone else what to do but there are plenty of good bulls in the 75-79 range in WW.


Nope. Good advice. And that’s why I’m here. It would be foolish of me, not to consider the opinions/thoughts of others. Thanks jscunn!
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Re: 3F Epic Sire

Postby jscunn » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:54 pm

The advice I would give about AI sires, is go look at neighbors, sales, shows, etc. Find something pleasing to your eye and then see if the EPDs would help and not hurt you. Alot of high numbered junk out there, I would rather breed or flush to a average numbered bull that produces great calves than a great numbered bull that produces average calves. Commercial guys could care less about numbers. Phenotype first.

All that being said the Epic calves on video look pretty good, so use him if you like them.. my :2cents: worth
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Re: 3F Epic Sire

Postby Hogtiming » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:50 pm

Semen guys pushed him hard. I think gizmom seen him this summer in person if I recall right
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Re: 3F Epic Sire

Postby SchenkAngusFarm » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:25 am

jscunn wrote:The advice I would give about AI sires, is go look at neighbors, sales, shows, etc. Find something pleasing to your eye and then see if the EPDs would help and not hurt you. Alot of high numbered junk out there, I would rather breed or flush to a average numbered bull that produces great calves than a great numbered bull that produces average calves. Commercial guys could care less about numbers. Phenotype first.

All that being said the Epic calves on video look pretty good, so use him if you like them.. my :2cents: worth



I think that's good advice too. Nothing like seeing cows in the ring to figure out what you like. Some people don't like Rampage for various reasons but after seeing his progeny last year in four sale I started using him and love what he has produced. If you're not happy with it, odds are you're not going to find someone else who is either.
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Re: 3F Epic Sire

Postby NEFarmwife » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:29 am

SchenkAngusFarm wrote:
jscunn wrote:The advice I would give about AI sires, is go look at neighbors, sales, shows, etc. Find something pleasing to your eye and then see if the EPDs would help and not hurt you. Alot of high numbered junk out there, I would rather breed or flush to a average numbered bull that produces great calves than a great numbered bull that produces average calves. Commercial guys could care less about numbers. Phenotype first.

All that being said the Epic calves on video look pretty good, so use him if you like them.. my :2cents: worth



I think that's good advice too. Nothing like seeing cows in the ring to figure out what you like. Some people don't like Rampage for various reasons but after seeing his progeny last year in four sale I started using him and love what he has produced. If you're not happy with it, odds are you're not going to find someone else who is either.


I wrote a long response last night in regard to jscunn's reply but lost it when I logged in.

My husband is a phen first, I am numbers but only because it is like breaking the Da Vinci Code and keeps my brain busy. :)

We are inundated with sire "kings" around here. (SAV, Jindra, Herbster, Connealy, Sandpoint)... One of the top selling SAV's was raised 50 feet from my house. Just up the road, I can go look over SAV and RB donors. Because of our location, it is safe to say, most our commercial cattlemen around here use nothing but what I listed. So the opportunity to see anything else, is difficult.

That is why I like this forum. I can see what others are using. What they wish they never had, and what they wish they had used more of.

We are so heavy on SAV, I'd like to introduce some other genetics. 10 straws of this, 10 straws of that. See what works. Our program is much different than it was two years ago. We don't sell at weaning, we finish them out now and I kinda feel that numbers are a bit more important than they've been in the past.

I also have learned that a bulls name doesn't mean he's a good bull. You can get a full brother and end up with the Danny DeVito to Arnold S. Suddenly, you have 50 Devitos running around that are now in the dink pen trying to play catch up to the big boys. Either way, seems like a roll of the dice anymore. I'd rather go with proven, then the hot new bull.

I was thinking about sexed rampage semen for some good quality replacements (a few of our registered's) but I am not a fan of his DOC. May have to just get a few conventional and see how he works out. Don't tolerate any hot heads or crazy girls.
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Re: 3F Epic Sire

Postby jscunn » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:48 pm

I typed you a long pm that of course got deleted.. sent you a short version, if you have any questions just shoot me a pm.
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Re: 3F Epic Sire

Postby SchenkAngusFarm » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:51 pm

NEFarmwife wrote:
SchenkAngusFarm wrote:
jscunn wrote:The advice I would give about AI sires, is go look at neighbors, sales, shows, etc. Find something pleasing to your eye and then see if the EPDs would help and not hurt you. Alot of high numbered junk out there, I would rather breed or flush to a average numbered bull that produces great calves than a great numbered bull that produces average calves. Commercial guys could care less about numbers. Phenotype first.

All that being said the Epic calves on video look pretty good, so use him if you like them.. my :2cents: worth



I think that's good advice too. Nothing like seeing cows in the ring to figure out what you like. Some people don't like Rampage for various reasons but after seeing his progeny last year in four sale I started using him and love what he has produced. If you're not happy with it, odds are you're not going to find someone else who is either.


I wrote a long response last night in regard to jscunn's reply but lost it when I logged in.

My husband is a phen first, I am numbers but only because it is like breaking the Da Vinci Code and keeps my brain busy. :)

We are inundated with sire "kings" around here. (SAV, Jindra, Herbster, Connealy, Sandpoint)... One of the top selling SAV's was raised 50 feet from my house. Just up the road, I can go look over SAV and RB donors. Because of our location, it is safe to say, most our commercial cattlemen around here use nothing but what I listed. So the opportunity to see anything else, is difficult.

That is why I like this forum. I can see what others are using. What they wish they never had, and what they wish they had used more of.

We are so heavy on SAV, I'd like to introduce some other genetics. 10 straws of this, 10 straws of that. See what works. Our program is much different than it was two years ago. We don't sell at weaning, we finish them out now and I kinda feel that numbers are a bit more important than they've been in the past.

I also have learned that a bulls name doesn't mean he's a good bull. You can get a full brother and end up with the Danny DeVito to Arnold S. Suddenly, you have 50 Devitos running around that are now in the dink pen trying to play catch up to the big boys. Either way, seems like a roll of the dice anymore. I'd rather go with proven, then the hot new bull.

I was thinking about sexed rampage semen for some good quality replacements (a few of our registered's) but I am not a fan of his DOC. May have to just get a few conventional and see how he works out. Don't tolerate any hot heads or crazy girls.


Great post.

I see you are from Nebraska. We buy a lot of embryos from the Scotts out your way.

I can tell you that I love what I have seen out of Rampage. I only have one out of him and it was from female sexed semen. She is great though. Love her disposition ironically. I am flushing our best cow to him now.

Since you seem to run a lot what is your favorite female producer that you have used? I'd love to hear your input.
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