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Postby boondocks » Mon May 07, 2018 2:59 am

Howdy,
Starting to get serious as we need to make AI choices in the next week or so. Our focus is calving ease, docility, marbling, and a moderate animal without the dreaded angus hatchet azz. We sell some replacement heifers, some grass-fed beef, and recently a few bull calves (by customer request).

SS just came out with a new one, EWA Peyton, that has a lot I like. Here is Peyton: http://www.selectsiresbeef.com/index.ph ... reed=Angus

A few others that I'm considering are Tehama Bonanza, GAR Composure; with some consideration given to Conneally Power Surge, Baldridge Bronc, Hoover Elation or Top Notch, and Conneally Combination (all Select Sires: https://issuu.com/selectsiresbeef/docs/ ... 1/57066772

Any thoughts or experience appreciated. (There are a few of the lower CED ones I probably wouldn't use on heifers).
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Postby wbvs58 » Mon May 07, 2018 3:18 am

I have done a bit of research on Baldridge Bronc and he is one I will be ordering later in the year. I used his sire EF Commando last year and am waiting on some cows to calve to him shortly, I thought I would use Baldridge Bronc this year instead as he has a bit more frame size, I think he resides at Musgrave Angus. Another that seems to be performing for Musgrave is LD Capitolist 316 that might be worth considering.

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Postby True Grit Farms » Mon May 07, 2018 7:04 am

Boondocks, I'd look closely at the GAR bulls. They breed for tenderness and ribeye.
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Postby torogmc81 » Mon May 07, 2018 7:39 am

I don't see most GAR bulls as moderate

I agree with Ken on Capitalist 316 and don't forget Capitalist himself. My best calves bull and heifers are out of Capitalist, and 316 is following his sires footsteps. Muscle, calving easy, great replacements, and stout bulls.
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Postby boondocks » Mon May 07, 2018 2:03 pm

Thanks all. I'm limited to SS lineup (including their Accelerated Genetics bulls) so the only Capitalist bull I'm seeing is Conneally Capitalist (sire SAV Final Answer). His DOC is 16 (my totally arbitrary cutoff is 17 and most of the ones I'm looking at are mid to high 20s).
TG, I do like GAR Composure a lot. I'll have to look at some of my pedigrees; we already have a good bit of GAR influence I think.
Anybody have any thoughts on Peyton? He's accuracy is still a bit lower than I'd like but I see a lot else to like (to my somewhat untutored eye)....
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Postby Hogtiming » Mon May 07, 2018 2:16 pm

I have thought about using Bronc myself. I like what I have heard. May try a little colonel also
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Postby Air gator » Mon May 07, 2018 7:13 pm

I would skip EWA Peyton for now. He has one of the worst $EN numbers I have ever seen so it will cost you to keep his calves.
His marbling accuracy is low so his marbling epd is likely to drop...even though he will still be way above average.
Select Sires has a lot of nice bulls but that's a pretty high number for Docility.
Flat Top has a lot of eye appeal but don't think he has that many calves on the ground.

I like the Fortress bull they have because he earned his wings. KCF sold him and then bought him back once they saw the quality of his calves. He might be a bull to use if you were keeping calves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA_OWBx0r2A&t=7s



If you were selling you would have to go with something like Tex Playbook. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xoH1CL3yv4
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Postby boondocks » Mon May 07, 2018 8:12 pm

Air gator wrote:I would skip EWA Peyton for now. He has one of the worst $EN numbers I have ever seen so it will cost you to keep his calves.
His marbling accuracy is low so his marbling epd is likely to drop...even though he will still be way above average.
Select Sires has a lot of nice bulls but that's a pretty high number for Docility.
Flat Top has a lot of eye appeal but don't think he has that many calves on the ground.

I like the Fortress bull they have because he earned his wings. KCF sold him and then bought him back once they saw the quality of his calves. He might be a bull to use if you were keeping calves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA_OWBx0r2A&t=7s



If you were selling you would have to go with something like Tex Playbook. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xoH1CL3yv4


Thanks gator. I do like TEX Playbook. His marbling is a bit low though (.68 at .38 Acc). I have always liked Fortress, and have come close to using him, but the DOC of 11 keeps me from pulling the trigger...
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Postby Son of Butch » Mon May 07, 2018 8:50 pm

I'd pay $40 for Playbook before I'd pay it for low accuracy young sire Peyton. But both are plenty high at $40.
.68 marbling is in top 25% of the angus breed
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Postby Air gator » Mon May 07, 2018 10:25 pm

SOB,
You are right on about the $40.
It is one thing if a bull has really hit the mark and his price goes up to $40.
It's another for a bull that doesn't even have calves on the ground to be $40.

I think the $40 sticker price derailed some nice bulls who could have been a Top 25 bull had they been priced right.
One of those bulls is Sav Pursuit. I have some really nice embryo calves by him.
I think SAV Ten Speed would have been used a lot more if he weren't priced that way.
There are too many good bulls for $25 or $30.
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Postby boondocks » Tue May 08, 2018 1:19 am

Thanks for the further thoughts. For me, with my (currently-very) small herd, the difference between $25 or $30/straw versus $40 isn't a deal-breaker. SOB, your point is taken about Peyton's acc scores. Other than that and $EN, do you see any glaring errors with him?
Your marbling point is interesting. If .68 is top quarter, a few I was looking at must be among the very top.
Of course, my musings will be meaningless when/if I call my tech and he says he can't get any of my top ones....
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Postby W.B. » Tue May 08, 2018 6:47 am

My question would be how much frame do you want? There are some big differences in the bulls you are considering. I will add docility epd is an indicator not an absolute. I have Capitalist progeny that range from 1 to 3 years of age that extremely docile. Never got a single one from him that was even a little flighty. The daughters are easy to work with at calving time with good maternal instincts. Overall he is quite a bit above breed average for docility.
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Postby Son of Butch » Tue May 08, 2018 11:26 am

boondocks wrote:Thanks for the further thoughts. For me, with my (currently-very) small herd, the difference between $25 or $30/straw versus $40 isn't a deal-breaker. SOB, your point is taken about Peyton's acc scores.
Other than that and $EN, do you see any glaring errors with him?
Your marbling point is interesting. If .68 is top quarter, a few I was looking at must be among the very top.
Of course, my musings will be meaningless when/if I call my tech and he says he can't get any of my top ones....

correction:
Playbook .68 top 35% (not 25% fat fingers must have hit 2 instead of 3 sorry)
Bronc .72 top 30%
Composure 1.12 top 5%
.99 is top 10%
1.42 marbling is top 1% which makes Peyton an extreme breed leader at 1.45 but with very low .34 accuracy

You might want to consider GAR Prophet 24 doc 1.53 marbling .82 accuracy price $25
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Postby bse » Tue May 08, 2018 3:27 pm

FWIW i wouldnt play numbers, unless i needed to fix something, my clean up bull has a -5 doc and is a puppy, any heifer should be able to handle 8 ced and 2 bw. I hear that all the time i must have 15 or better ced or ill have to pull a calf BS, if you moderate those numbers your choice of bulls will open up tremendously. ive used this bull on heifers 15734469 no problems, wouldnt be for everyone. just my thoughts
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Postby boondocks » Tue May 08, 2018 11:02 pm

Son of Butch wrote:
boondocks wrote:Thanks for the further thoughts. For me, with my (currently-very) small herd, the difference between $25 or $30/straw versus $40 isn't a deal-breaker. SOB, your point is taken about Peyton's acc scores.
Other than that and $EN, do you see any glaring errors with him?
Your marbling point is interesting. If .68 is top quarter, a few I was looking at must be among the very top.
Of course, my musings will be meaningless when/if I call my tech and he says he can't get any of my top ones....

correction:
Playbook .68 top 35% (not 25% fat fingers must have hit 2 instead of 3 sorry)
Bronc .72 top 30%
Composure 1.12 top 5%
.99 is top 10%
1.42 marbling is top 1% which makes Peyton an extreme breed leader at 1.45 but with very low .34 accuracy

You might want to consider GAR Prophet 24 doc 1.53 marbling .82 accuracy price $25


I've always liked Prophet but have never been able to get any. Think we've tried once or twice. Maybe will re-try.
Can someone give me a couple examples of the differences in frame size in the bulls I noted? I am trying to learn but have not focused a whole lot on frame and probably do need to pay more attention. Ours are moderate and I don't want a huge frame nor minis . ;)
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