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Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:40 pm
by Caustic Burno
Willicd wrote:I live in the texas panhandle and farm/ranch ASIDE from my full time shift work job. The only reason i mention this is because it helped dictate the type cattle i run. I am rarely around when they are calving and some pastures are very rugged and grass is sparse. For this reason I use corriente or longhorn cows and breed to angus or charolais bulls. I am retaining heifers now to start a more viable commercial "beef" herd since the market is down and you cant give away something with LH influence now. Anyway, all of these heifers are black or creme colored, polled, and have DECENT muscle. I need to know what the best breed of bull would be to maximize the black hide and muscle on the terminal calves? I am thinking limousin if i can find one. Would it be detrimental to breed back to another angus?



Brangus

Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:48 pm
by Big Cheese
Willicd wrote:I dont sell 6mo old calves that weigh 300# i sell 4mo calves that weigh 300#! I have 2 good registerd charolais bulls and an angus composite i use on heifers. I sell light not because they are inferior animals, but because i dont care to be docked for an "inferior" mindset toward them. I am wanting a bull i can put on the retained heifers and wean at 6-8 mo and 500-700#. I was looking for black hide because thats what brings a premium in this area.


If your wanting that then I would stick with the Charolais. They will wean that heavy and you will still have the black hide influence with the grays. If you can wean calves as heavy as your wanting then if they bring premium or not you will be fine. Black hide is dominate here as well but our solid whites and yellows sell right with them. You can never go wrong with Charolais.

I don't know if that first sentence was a jab at me or not but I hope it wasn't. What is the bloodlines of your Charolais Bulls? They sound look good Bulls.

I like CBs advice as well Brangus wouldn't be a bad bull to use as well if your wanting to keep the black hide but I still think Charolais is your best choice.

Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:07 am
by Cross-7
Willicd wrote:I live in the texas panhandle and farm/ranch ASIDE from my full time shift work job. The only reason i mention this is because it helped dictate the type cattle i run. I am rarely around when they are calving and some pastures are very rugged and grass is sparse. For this reason I use corriente or longhorn cows and breed to angus or charolais bulls. I am retaining heifers now to start a more viable commercial "beef" herd since the market is down and you cant give away something with LH influence now. Anyway, all of these heifers are black or creme colored, polled, and have DECENT muscle. I need to know what the best breed of bull would be to maximize the black hide and muscle on the terminal calves? I am thinking limousin if i can find one. Would it be detrimental to breed back to another angus?



If it were me instead of retaining heifers that are longhorn, corriente influence I'd get some nice be brangus cows.
Jim Saul in Turkey has some really nice cattle( Steiner genetics) and sells heifers and might talk him out of some cows. He owns the feed store there in Turkey, so he easy to find.
It'd be a lot quicker start on getting good cows
Just my 2cents

Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:42 am
by Muddy
Nothing wrong with half longhorn cows, and their calves will be 3/4 beef anyways and they won't show any hints of being part longhorn. No reason for him to get rid of half longhorn cows at all.

Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:52 am
by Big Cheese
Why get rid of something that is obviously working for him? Having that Longhorn influence in you cow is a very good thing especially with the pasture land he says he has.

Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:06 am
by Cross-7
Big Cheese wrote:Why get rid of something that is obviously working for him? Having that Longhorn influence in you cow is a very good thing especially with the pasture land he says he has.


I understood it wasn't working and he was trying to retain heifers that he described as decent.

Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:34 am
by Muddy
Cross-7 wrote:
Big Cheese wrote:Why get rid of something that is obviously working for him? Having that Longhorn influence in you cow is a very good thing especially with the pasture land he says he has.


I understood it wasn't working and he was trying to retain heifers that he described as decent.

It could be working for him just fine. He just weaned them too early and to be fair black Angus isn't best breed to cross with longhorns and Corrientes. But he's just asking for terminal bulls, not which bulls for retaining heifers out of half longhorns.

Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:16 am
by Rafter S
Caustic Burno wrote:
Willicd wrote:I live in the texas panhandle and farm/ranch ASIDE from my full time shift work job. The only reason i mention this is because it helped dictate the type cattle i run. I am rarely around when they are calving and some pastures are very rugged and grass is sparse. For this reason I use corriente or longhorn cows and breed to angus or charolais bulls. I am retaining heifers now to start a more viable commercial "beef" herd since the market is down and you cant give away something with LH influence now. Anyway, all of these heifers are black or creme colored, polled, and have DECENT muscle. I need to know what the best breed of bull would be to maximize the black hide and muscle on the terminal calves? I am thinking limousin if i can find one. Would it be detrimental to breed back to another angus?



Brangus


I agree. You're in Texas. A little ear is a good thing.

Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:55 am
by FlyingLSimmentals
A Purebred Red Simmental.

Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:02 am
by Willicd
Cross-7 wrote:
Willicd wrote:I live in the texas panhandle and farm/ranch ASIDE from my full time shift work job. The only reason i mention this is because it helped dictate the type cattle i run. I am rarely around when they are calving and some pastures are very rugged and grass is sparse. For this reason I use corriente or longhorn cows and breed to angus or charolais bulls. I am retaining heifers now to start a more viable commercial "beef" herd since the market is down and you cant give away something with LH influence now. Anyway, all of these heifers are black or creme colored, polled, and have DECENT muscle. I need to know what the best breed of bull would be to maximize the black hide and muscle on the terminal calves? I am thinking limousin if i can find one. Would it be detrimental to breed back to another angus?



If it were me instead of retaining heifers that are longhorn, corriente influence I'd get some nice be brangus cows.
Jim Saul in Turkey has some really nice cattle( Steiner genetics) and sells heifers and might talk him out of some cows. He owns the feed store there in Turkey, so he easy to find.
It'd be a lot quicker start on getting good cows
Just my 2cents


Are you talking about valley peanut when you say feed store? I use this type cow out of necessity not necessarily desire. The easy calving easy keeping qualities make my life much more pleasant. I have no issues with the LH/charolais or LH/angus heifers i am retaining i am simply needing opinions on the best breed of bull to put on them for terminal calves. I like the brangus idea IF i can find a good one.

Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:14 pm
by Big Cheese
With what your wanting I would definitely stick with the Charolais but Brangus is a good second choice. Better then Angus in my opinion.

Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:19 pm
by Red Bull Breeder
Begert Limousin Allison Texas. Lawrence family limousin Anton Texas. If either of these folks are close enough to you I can give you phone numbers. Limousin will add beef to your calves.

Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:30 pm
by Cross-7
Willicd wrote:
Cross-7 wrote:
Willicd wrote:I live in the texas panhandle and farm/ranch ASIDE from my full time shift work job. The only reason i mention this is because it helped dictate the type cattle i run. I am rarely around when they are calving and some pastures are very rugged and grass is sparse. For this reason I use corriente or longhorn cows and breed to angus or charolais bulls. I am retaining heifers now to start a more viable commercial "beef" herd since the market is down and you cant give away something with LH influence now. Anyway, all of these heifers are black or creme colored, polled, and have DECENT muscle. I need to know what the best breed of bull would be to maximize the black hide and muscle on the terminal calves? I am thinking limousin if i can find one. Would it be detrimental to breed back to another angus?



If it were me instead of retaining heifers that are longhorn, corriente influence I'd get some nice be brangus cows.
Jim Saul in Turkey has some really nice cattle( Steiner genetics) and sells heifers and might talk him out of some cows. He owns the feed store there in Turkey, so he easy to find.
It'd be a lot quicker start on getting good cows
Just my 2cents


Are you talking about valley peanut when you say feed store? I use this type cow out of necessity not necessarily desire. The easy calving easy keeping qualities make my life much more pleasant. I have no issues with the LH/charolais or LH/angus heifers i am retaining i am simply needing opinions on the best breed of bull to put on them for terminal calves. I like the brangus idea IF i can find a good one.


That'd be him
IMO you can't beat a brangus cow in that country and put a char, angus,limo bull on them to take off little ear.
If you like the LH cross cows I think the char bulls would be what you're wanting.
Brangus wouldn't be a bad choice but I've used brangus on corriente type cows( black and horned) and I didn't like the cross. It put some frame on the calves but not a lot of muscle

Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:55 pm
by Big Cheese
We use Charolais on Longhorn or Corriente cows mostly. We still have a few full beef cows and a few Longhorn cross cows but mostly Longhorns. Our three Charolais bulls are all different. One is a tall and lean bull, one is a really thick bull, and the other is a normal Charolais tall and thick. By looking at calves out of all three bulls I thought the tall lean was the better option (which is what a Brangus would be like) but once they get closer to 6-8 months old the really thick bull works the best. It puts more weight on them. So for Longhorns the thicker the bull the better.

Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:48 pm
by wacocowboy
I like Char bulls or a Charbray. I know a guy using a Beefmaster bull on Longhorn and crosses not bad results the bull came from Casey up in Albany TX.