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Crossing longhorn cows to commercial bulls ?

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:23 am
by mpassmore85
Couple questions if anyone with experience can help me. Have solid coloured longhorns that have been bred for roping so pretty small about 8-900 pounds. Have sold the longhorn bull and was thinking on mixing the longhorn cows with the commercial herd. They'd be in a herd of 200 or so and breeding time there would be mixture of bulls. From pure bred angus/ Angus X Hereford / angus X Limo, so can't exactly pick and choose what bull does the breeding.

Questions being:
Any calfing difficulties ?
Any issues having to pull calves ?

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Re: Crossing longhorn cows to commercial bulls ?

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:17 am
by gaurus
mpassmore85 wrote:Couple questions if anyone with experience can help me. Have solid coloured longhorns that have been bred for roping so pretty small about 8-900 pounds. Have sold the longhorn bull and was thinking on mixing the longhorn cows with the commercial herd. They'd be in a herd of 200 or so and breeding time there would be mixture of bulls. From pure bred angus/ Angus X Hereford / angus X Limo, so can't exactly pick and choose what bull does the breeding.

Questions being:
Any calfing difficulties ?
Any issues having to pull calves ?

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Long Horns are the breed with the highest percentage of unassisted calving(98% of so), and that comes at not surprise, Nature culled the ones that needed assistance, check the pictures of the Longhorn cross thread, you will see Charolais x longhorn cross.

Re: Crossing longhorn cows to commercial bulls ?

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:02 am
by mpassmore85
I read all of that post. But my longhorns seem to be a bit smaller and was mainly worrying about pulling them.

Re: Crossing longhorn cows to commercial bulls ?

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:05 am
by mpassmore85
Also one kinda dumb question. Have one family line that has twins say 1 out of every 3 years always raised normally no issues. Just wondering if this is going to make breeding them to beef bull problematic?

Re: Crossing longhorn cows to commercial bulls ?

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:11 pm
by gaurus
Corriente cattle are smaller type of crillo cattle(same type as Longhorns) due to the same environmental pressures they are also easy calving and have not issues calving a Charolais cross calf, so no issues with smaller framed Longhorns.

Re: Crossing longhorn cows to commercial bulls ?

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:42 am
by younggun
Do corriente cattle get horns as big as longhorns or are they shorter? I ask because I have a heifer that should be calving any day now (bred to an angus) that I always called a longhorn but she's solid brown and pretty small, I even named her "Tiny". She's a 3 year old, nearly 4 but as you can see she's pretty small. That's a 5' fence she's standing behind in the second pic but the pic is taken at a slight downward angle so she looks a little smaller there than she is.

Hope I didn't hijack your thread, my plan is to breed her back to a charolais so I'm going down a similar road you're looking into
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Re: Crossing longhorn cows to commercial bulls ?

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:22 am
by Brute 23
People do cross Corriente and Longhorn cattle... not sure if its accidently or on purpose.

I have also seen Longhorn X cattle that still put on pretty good horns for only being 50% Longhorn.

Re: Crossing longhorn cows to commercial bulls ?

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:50 am
by RanchMan90
A lot of people put Charolais bulls on solid color longhorn cows here with good results. They have a bit higher stocking rate and high percentage calf crop. I'm not pro-longhorn but it does look good on paper.

Re: Crossing longhorn cows to commercial bulls ?

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:14 am
by Bigfoot
RanchMan90 wrote:A lot of people put Charolais bulls on solid color longhorn cows here with good results. They have a bit higher stocking rate and high percentage calf crop. I'm not pro-longhorn but it does look good on paper.


I get accused of being pro longhorn, but I'm actually not. I am surprised how many roping calves I can crowd on a little spot of grass though. Watched a couple of longhorn steers sell for 50 cents a pound last week. That's enough to turn you off. I bought a 300 pound longhorn heifer for .90 as well.

Re: Crossing longhorn cows to commercial bulls ?

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:51 pm
by Muddy
Charolais is number #1 popular bull on Longhorn and Corriente cows here and their calves do decent at the sale barns tho they won't bring premium. The feedlot buyers didn't like Angus X Longhorn crosses much but will pay a little more for CharX longhorn calves.

Re: Crossing longhorn cows to commercial bulls ?

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:05 pm
by gaurus
Muddy wrote:Charolais is number #1 popular bull on Longhorn and Corriente cows here and their calves do decent at the sale barns tho they won't bring premium. The feedlot buyers didn't like Angus X Longhorn crosses much but will pay a little more for CharX longhorn calves.

That is true, Charolais is the bull to use on them(Longhorn and Corriente) some will say that Limousin are as good, but not really, maybe a good second place as breed of bull on these criollo breeds, but #1 is Charolais

Re: Crossing longhorn cows to commercial bulls ?

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:50 pm
by Muddy
gaurus wrote:
Muddy wrote:Charolais is number #1 popular bull on Longhorn and Corriente cows here and their calves do decent at the sale barns tho they won't bring premium. The feedlot buyers didn't like Angus X Longhorn crosses much but will pay a little more for CharX longhorn calves.

That is true, Charolais is the bull to use on them(Longhorn and Corriente) some will say that Limousin are as good, but not really, maybe a good second place as breed of bull on these criollo breeds, but #1 is Charolais
You're better off with using full blooded limousin bulls on these cows than using black limousin bulls if you want better uniformity in the calves. Black bulls of any breeds won't knock off the LH chrome and you'll get more colorful calves.

Re: Crossing longhorn cows to commercial bulls ?

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:51 pm
by SIMMGAL
I probably shouldn't even comment because Longhorns aren't my forte, but I will anyway...

I have a very limited sample size, but one of my favorite cross cows is a Longhorn X Angus cross. When I got her as a heifer, I was certain she would be bony and rangy as she aged. She raises one of the biggest and fattest calves in the spring group every year, breeds back right away and stays fat as a hog. Her dam was a pure longhorn that my uncle owned and ran with his Angus herd and he gave me the resulting calf as a gift. All of her Sim calves have more muscle shape than she does, but that's to be expected. I'll keep using Simmi on her because its what we run anyway and I haven't had any issues with her or her 1/2 Sim daughters calving. Only thing I can fault her on is color, which always bites me at the sale barn. She's one of the easiest keepers, so I can't complain. Plus she's a head turner since her horns grew in upside down and inward. One had to be trimmed and the other removed so I just call her my half-horn half-longhorn. :lol2:

Re: Crossing longhorn cows to commercial bulls ?

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:33 am
by mpassmore85
Sorry dumb question. The term "chrome" means what exactly?

And all my longhorns are cross breed 1/2 longhorn 3/8 corriente and 1/8 Watusi. We bred them to be small for team roping initially.

Just a pain having them separated from the 500 or so head of commercials.

Re: Crossing longhorn cows to commercial bulls ?

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:04 pm
by Muddy
Chrome means white. However since you have solid colored Longhorns only, just breed them to a homo black bull and you should get full black calves. They should be fine with your bulls.