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Re: Let's Bicker

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:38 pm
by TennesseeTuxedo
flatrock9 wrote:Okay I'm green as a willow branch on all this. I just finished the 15 page "What to look for in a Brahman" thread. My brain hurts.

I understand Angus selling higher to the colder feedlots and Brahman selling higher to more Southern feedlots. Is it me or are Angus preferred because of the marketing to the general public? (100% Angus Beef!) Is the taste, texture, marbling, etc. that much different? Is the only difference to the end consumer the marketing of Angus being superior?


In a word, yes.

Re: Let's Bicker

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:38 pm
by Jeanne - Simme Valley
I'm not going to bicker your point. Cattle change constantly.
Just because Angus has not changed it's color, does not mean it has not changed pheno-typically or genetically. I can remember being at NYSF and having a huge debate as to whether the fair would disqualify some animals because they were offspring of a bull that had his papers pulled because he had HOLSTEIN in his "real" pedigree. Nope, they did not pull them and the registration papers were never pulled on his offspring.
Also, I can remember the AAA running ads bashing the "elephant breed" (Simmental), but the following year, the Angus bulls made the Simmental bulls look like midgets.
Angus used to be known for their muscling. For the past, maybe, 10 years, they have struggled to have better rear quarters than a Hereford.
I am a true supporter of the Simmental breed. I have bred them since their imported semen into USA, having my first registered calves in 1972. This is the 3rd time I have used the "letter E" to identify our calves. I have had registered 1/2 bloods that were BLACK in 1972 (with white markings). I actually have one cow family that goes back to my original 1/2 bloods (red lines).
We, as breeders, were not stupid. We knew we had problems with the breed for the commercial man to use. WE IMPROVED on the breed, making them easy calvers, easy keepers, and structurally sound. They were already well muscled, easy marbling, heavy milkers, fertile myrtles and fast growers.

Period... End of story... :banana:

Re: Let's Bicker

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:41 pm
by TennesseeTuxedo
Shame they never caught on in a big way. I like the original Simmentals.

Re: Let's Bicker

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:46 pm
by Jeanne - Simme Valley
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:Shame they never caught on in a big way. I like the original Simmentals.

I don't understand what you are saying??

Re: Let's Bicker

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:48 pm
by TennesseeTuxedo
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:Shame they never caught on in a big way. I like the original Simmentals.

I don't understand what you are saying??


I preferred the breed the way they looked before they turned them black.

Re: Let's Bicker

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:50 pm
by Bright Raven
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:Shame they never caught on in a big way. I like the original Simmentals.

I don't understand what you are saying??


Jeanne, look over poor TT. He is not real gifted.

Re: Let's Bicker

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:51 pm
by Bright Raven
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:Shame they never caught on in a big way. I like the original Simmentals.

I don't understand what you are saying??


I preferred the breed the way they looked before they turned them black.


TT. Get back in your box.

Re: Let's Bicker

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:52 pm
by TennesseeTuxedo
Bright Raven wrote:
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:Shame they never caught on in a big way. I like the original Simmentals.

I don't understand what you are saying??


Jeanne, look over poor TT. He is not real gifted.


Watch it squirt!

Re: Let's Bicker

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:56 pm
by Bright Raven
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:I don't understand what you are saying??


Jeanne, look over poor TT. He is not real gifted.


Watch it squirt!


TT. Seriously, no one but a few diehards would want to go back to the problems the ASA breeders have been trying to mitigate in the old line Simmentals. You are out of your head.

Re: Let's Bicker

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:00 pm
by TennesseeTuxedo
Bright Raven wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
Jeanne, look over poor TT. He is not real gifted.


Watch it squirt!


TT. Seriously, no one but a few diehards would want to go back to the problems the ASA breeders have been trying to mitigate in the old line Simmentals. You are out of your head.


Am I not entitled to an opinion that is contrary to yours?

I like old line Simmentals.

Re: Let's Bicker

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:01 pm
by Bright Raven
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Watch it squirt!


TT. Seriously, no one but a few diehards would want to go back to the problems the ASA breeders have been trying to mitigate in the old line Simmentals. You are out of your head.


Am I not entitled to an opinion that is contrary to yours?

I like old line Simmentals.


Lol. You are good at using other people's lines. Just like you stole the term "booger eater" from fat man.

Re: Let's Bicker

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:04 pm
by Jeanne - Simme Valley
I, personally, LOVED all the color patterns. It was like opening Christmas presents, every time a calf was born. Is it a heifer or a bull, is it red or black, does it have spots or not, does it have a white face or not, is it horned or polled? (most of those things still make finding a newborn exciting!!!).

Re: Let's Bicker

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:06 pm
by TennesseeTuxedo
Bright Raven wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Bright Raven wrote: Mom
TT. Seriously, no one but a few diehards would want to go back to the problems the ASA breeders have been trying to mitigate in the old line Simmentals. You are out of your head.


Am I not entitled to an opinion that is contrary to yours?

I like old line Simmentals.


Lol. You are good at using other people's lines. Just like you stole the term "booger eater" from fat man.


Ron, I'm a purest, I appreciate the breeds in their intended colorations not all painted black in an effort to chase Angus dollars.

Re: Let's Bicker

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:07 pm
by TennesseeTuxedo
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:I, personally, LOVED all the color patterns. It was like opening Christmas presents, every time a calf was born. Is it a heifer or a bull, is it red or black, does it have spots or not, does it have a white face or not, is it horned or polled? (most of those things still make finding a newborn exciting!!!).


I agree. No more bickering. You're a very nice lady.

Re: Let's Bicker

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:08 pm
by Bright Raven
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Am I not entitled to an opinion that is contrary to yours?

I like old line Simmentals.


Lol. You are good at using other people's lines. Just like you stole the term "booger eater" from fat man.


Ron, I'm a purest, I appreciate the breeds in their intended colorations not all painted black in an effort to chase Angus dollars.


You don't understand. Give me a call. I will explain it to you. It is much more than changing color. Jeanne knows. Maybe she has more patience with you than I do.