We need more Lower Tier Bulls

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We need more Lower Tier Bulls

Postby Bright Raven » Fri May 12, 2017 9:10 pm

Some of my neighbors live by a code: no self respectable commercial beef producer ever pays more than $1500 for a bull.

A friend of mine who lives about 2 miles from here has a Limousin bull he uses on shabby Charolais cows that reminds me of a crocodile with long legs.  He paid $1500 for that bull.  He was over here a couple days ago.  He saw my fall bulls in the bull pen.  He ask about the white face Optimizer Bull.  I told him I expect he is worth about $1800.  You would have thought I kicked him in the gut.

Although it is a highly specialized and demanding vocation, someone has to meet the demand for cheap, inferior bulls.   My question is this: Do the users on this forum see that as a sinful occupation?  I feel guilty not being able to help these commercial farmers.  Unfortunately, I have invested in nice stock, spend the time and money to AI my cows to good bulls so cannot meet their needs.

Can anyone refer me to a source of low end bulls to meet the needs of the great unwashed?
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Postby M.Magis » Fri May 12, 2017 9:13 pm

Seemingly endless supply at the nearest salebarn. Plenty of guys here will use anything with nuts.
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Postby Fire Sweep Ranch » Fri May 12, 2017 9:15 pm

Just look on Craigslist!
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Re: We need more Lower Tier Bulls

Postby True Grit Farms » Fri May 12, 2017 9:20 pm

I see good bulls sell cheap at some of the bull test sales. For the bull to make the sale he's a purebred, proven to gain weight, have no defects in his DNA, passed a BSE, and up to date on all shots and vaccinations. I could of bought 50+ bulls this year for less than what you think you bull is worth.
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Re: We need more Lower Tier Bulls

Postby Caustic Burno » Fri May 12, 2017 9:36 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:I see good bulls sell cheap at some of the bull test sales. For the bull to make the sale he's a purebred, proven to gain weight, have no defects in his DNA, passed a BSE, and up to date on all shots and vaccinations. I could of bought 50+ bulls this year for less than what you think you bull is worth.

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Re: We need more Lower Tier Bulls

Postby Bright Raven » Fri May 12, 2017 9:38 pm

I have seen bulls go cheap. Even as low as $1500 at high profile auctions.

It brings to mind all the effort we put into raising good cattle but there is a large portion of the industry that does not see the value you and I do in quality. They could not care less about the pedigree or breed characteristics.
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Re: We need more Lower Tier Bulls

Postby Ojp6 » Fri May 12, 2017 9:41 pm

We bought some yearling registered Herefords off of a bull sale in the $850 range that would have weighed 1100 plus. We bought them because they were cheap enough to cut and feed but ended up not cutting them because they were nice looking bulls and their epds looked pretty good. The registered bull business has not been good in our area lately.
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Re: We need more Lower Tier Bulls

Postby Brute 23 » Fri May 12, 2017 9:43 pm

We have a place in town where we keep replacment heifers and butcher bulls. There are always 3 or 4 bulls 1-2yrs old. We have people calling wanting them for herd bulls pretty regularly. They all want to pay in that $1000-1500 just like you are talking about.
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Re: We need more Lower Tier Bulls

Postby FlyingLSimmentals » Fri May 12, 2017 9:50 pm

It's called STOCKYARD! But I've also seen some pretty nice younger bulls go dirt cheap this Year. Some of these people should just keep their own bull calf and raise and use. They don't want to pay for nothing when its time to purchase and then whine and be upset if their calves don't do well and bring top $.
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Re: We need more Lower Tier Bulls

Postby Caustic Burno » Fri May 12, 2017 9:51 pm

Ojp6 wrote:We bought some yearling registered Herefords off of a bull sale in the $850 range that would have weighed 1100 plus. We bought them because they were cheap enough to cut and feed but ended up not cutting them because they were nice looking bulls and their epds looked pretty good. The registered bull business has not been good in our area lately.

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Number one cost wise here would be

Char/Brangus
Hereford due to availability
Angus

The rest are virtually non existence
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Re: We need more Lower Tier Bulls

Postby True Grit Farms » Fri May 12, 2017 9:52 pm

Even a rag tag herd needs a bull that can pass a BSE, that's the bulls only job. And a bull with Trich or some other VD will ruin your bottom line. A small producer can't afford to feed open cows.
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Re: We need more Lower Tier Bulls

Postby Caustic Burno » Fri May 12, 2017 9:56 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:Even a rag tag herd needs a bull that can pass a BSE, that's the bulls only job. And a bull with Trich or some other VD will ruin your bottom line. A small producer can't afford to feed open cows.

A lot of the small producers here purchase at bull sales at the salebarn.
They put one on pretty regular with decent animals.
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Re: We need more Lower Tier Bulls

Postby FlyingLSimmentals » Fri May 12, 2017 10:05 pm

I know of several whom have money to take nice vacations, cruise's, buy brand new pickups, and etc... but won't spend just a decent figure for a decent bull. They go to the sale barns and around and about different breeders jewing about their bulls to get a bull.
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Re: We need more Lower Tier Bulls

Postby LDEnterprises » Fri May 12, 2017 10:11 pm

Bright Raven wrote:I have seen bulls go cheap. Even as low as $1500 at high profile auctions.


I always comment to my wife at some of these high profile bull sales around us about why guys that won't spend much on bulls don't go to these sales and buy their "junk" bulls. Even their "junk" is pretty darn good compared to going to the sale barn. One big farm we have purchased from offers a 1 year warranty no questions asked even for their back page bulls. I've seen some go for less than $1500.
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Re: We need more Lower Tier Bulls

Postby Nesikep » Fri May 12, 2017 11:15 pm

I haven't spent less than $3K for a bull in a long long time.. if ever, except for my homeraised bulls.

Perhaps a distiction could be made between "not seeing the value" and "not being able to pencil it out"...

When I bought my Limo bull for $3500, it was easy to pencil out.. I got $3100 for my 7 year old Gelbvieh bull in meat.. certainly I can afford $400 extra!
This time around I might not be so lucky, I figure I'll get ~$2K for the Limo, and probably be paying $3K again for the new one.. still ain't bad.
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