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Thoughts on this bull

Postby dun » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:58 am

Not sure if I like his hindquarters or not. This is as a 7 year old
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Re: Thoughts on this bull

Postby Dogs and Cows » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:03 am

I think he looks ok Dun. I wouldn't kick him out of my pasture by any means...however, he looks to me like he is two bulls put together...his front end is deep and strong..and his rear end just looks not as developed. I could be totally wrong here...just my very modest opinion.

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Re: Thoughts on this bull

Postby dun » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:05 am

Dogs and Cows wrote:I think he looks ok Dun. I wouldn't kick him out of my pasture by any means...however, he looks to me like he is two bulls put together...his front end is deep and strong..and his rear end just looks not as developed. I could be totally wrong here...just my very modest opinion.

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That pretty well sums up my opinion, but my mind didn;t know what the deal was front to back
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Re: Thoughts on this bull

Postby cfpinz » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:33 am

Two bulls put together or not, he's fine boned on both ends.
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Re: Thoughts on this bull

Postby MRRherefords » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:48 am

A little weak in the back end in my opinion.
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Re: Thoughts on this bull

Postby greatgerts » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:03 am

cfpinz wrote:Two bulls put together or not, he's fine boned on both ends.


Yeah. I would like to see a lot more bone on him.
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Re: Thoughts on this bull

Postby Brute 23 » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:43 am

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cfpinz wrote:Two bulls put together or not, he's fine boned on both ends.


Yeah. I would like to see a lot more bone on him.


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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:18 pm

I agree with the group. Light boned, light rear quarters, and too much shoulder for me.
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Re: Thoughts on this bull

Postby Workinonit Farm » Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:13 pm

I, too, was thinking a bit fine boned.
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Re: Thoughts on this bull

Postby Boot Jack Bulls » Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:15 pm

Not a bad bull, but as others have said, he is fine boned and too broad and straight in the shoulder (this is my main sticking point with most red angus, phenotype wise). I think the thing that looks off in that rear third is that he doesn't carry any muscle mass down into that gaskin. This usually means they aren't carrying it inside the rear leg either.
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Re: Thoughts on this bull

Postby gizmom » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:44 pm

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This bull is finer boned, and doesn't show enough depth in his flank. If you draw a straight line on his belly you will see how pinched he is in the rear end.

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Do the same thing drawing a line on the underside of this calf and look at the difference. This bull carries the depth of body from front to rear. The red bull has depth in the front end but lacks depth in the rear which makes him look out of balance.
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Re: Thoughts on this bull

Postby Nesikep » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:42 pm

Gizmom, that's what i'm seeing.. a pinched waist.. I don't look for heavy bones.. humans don't eat that, but it should be proportional, and a 7 year old bull ought to be more filled.. certainly isn't going to get better with age like when you look at a yearling and hum and haw.

I do strive for a flat belly that isn't pinched at either end.

I think this bull could have used a better photographer.. a picture taken from lower to the ground, and more toward his front quarters would go a long way in hiding that, as well as having him in some straw.. it doesn't change the bull of course, but certainly could affect how people look at the same animal
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Re: Thoughts on this bull

Postby Workinonit Farm » Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:48 pm

Nesikep wrote: as having him in some straw..


I've never been a big fan of pics of bulls/cows standing in straw. I like to be able to see the feet, the pasterns, etc.
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Re: Thoughts on this bull

Postby gizmom » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:10 pm

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I agree I like seeing as much as I can of their feet. But the straw doesn't hide if the are pinched in the flank.

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I just like to see an animal have enough bone to support their mass. Light bone makes me think the mass is more fat than muscle. Nothing scientific about it just something I look at.

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Re: Thoughts on this bull

Postby Nesikep » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:16 pm

No, a picture from a little bit more toward the front of the bull would have hidden that a little (being about square with the front shoulders rather than square with his hinds).. I definitely like seeing their feet as well, and am always weary of pictures in deep straw.. but there's a reason they're so popular.. every bull looks long and deep chested when in 10" of straw
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