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Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:38 pm
by ALACOWMAN
Seen Them on American Rancher the other night....

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:52 pm
by f1tiger
The last sale I attended the angus bulls they were using Gardiner bulls ..... case closed, excellent heifers

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:51 am
by Ky hills
Have a few Santa Gertrudis x Hereford cows. They seem to be a good cross that works well for us. Have had calves from them by Angus bulls and this year by a Hereford bull. The 3/4 Hereford calves are still a dark red and though they are young they look to me like they will be good calves.

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:45 pm
by ALACOWMAN
Ky hills wrote:Have a few Santa Gertrudis x Hereford cows. They seem to be a good cross that works well for us. Have had calves from them by Angus bulls and this year by a Hereford bull. The 3/4 Hereford calves are still a dark red and though they are young they look to me like they will be good calves.
. Should be, Are they goggle eyed ??

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:02 pm
by Caustic Burno
Ky hills wrote:Have a few Santa Gertrudis x Hereford cows. They seem to be a good cross that works well for us. Have had calves from them by Angus bulls and this year by a Hereford bull. The 3/4 Hereford calves are still a dark red and though they are young they look to me like they will be good calves.


Gert/Hereford cross is just a wrong percentage Beefmaster

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:52 pm
by Ky hills
ALACOWMAN wrote:
Ky hills wrote:Have a few Santa Gertrudis x Hereford cows. They seem to be a good cross that works well for us. Have had calves from them by Angus bulls and this year by a Hereford bull. The 3/4 Hereford calves are still a dark red and though they are young they look to me like they will be good calves.
. Should be, Are they goggle eyed ??


The 1/2 Gert cows we have are either goggle eyed or have red faces with some white on them. The Hereford calves from them are not really goggle eyed but have red necks and a little red around the eyes.

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:07 pm
by Rafter S
Caustic Burno wrote:
Ky hills wrote:Have a few Santa Gertrudis x Hereford cows. They seem to be a good cross that works well for us. Have had calves from them by Angus bulls and this year by a Hereford bull. The 3/4 Hereford calves are still a dark red and though they are young they look to me like they will be good calves.


Gert/Hereford cross is just a wrong percentage Beefmaster


Maybe, but I've seen some of them. They make good cows, and are a consistent dark red, with varying amounts of white on the face, instead of the crayon box of colors you get from Beefmasters.

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:10 pm
by Caustic Burno
Rafter S wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:
Ky hills wrote:Have a few Santa Gertrudis x Hereford cows. They seem to be a good cross that works well for us. Have had calves from them by Angus bulls and this year by a Hereford bull. The 3/4 Hereford calves are still a dark red and though they are young they look to me like they will be good calves.


Gert/Hereford cross is just a wrong percentage Beefmaster


Maybe, but I've seen some of them. They make good cows, and are a consistent dark red, with varying amounts of white on the face, instead of the crayon box of colors you get from Beefmasters.


That 1/4 SH goes a long way when adding chrome

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:03 pm
by Post Oak
Caustic Burno wrote:
Rafter S wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:
Gert/Hereford cross is just a wrong percentage Beefmaster


Maybe, but I've seen some of them. They make good cows, and are a consistent dark red, with varying amounts of white on the face, instead of the crayon box of colors you get from Beefmasters.


That 1/4 SH goes a long way when adding chrome

Why don't the gerts chrome up like the Beefmasters when the gerts are 62.5% Shorthorn and the BM are only 25%(plus %25 Hereford)?

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:09 pm
by Ky hills
Post Oak wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:
Rafter S wrote:
Maybe, but I've seen some of them. They make good cows, and are a consistent dark red, with varying amounts of white on the face, instead of the crayon box of colors you get from Beefmasters.


That 1/4 SH goes a long way when adding chrome

Why don't the gerts chrome up like the Beefmasters when the gerts are 62.5% Shorthorn and the BM are only 25%(plus %25 Hereford)?


Not exactly sure, but maybe they were selectively bred for solid color.

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:50 am
by Rafter S
Post Oak wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:
Rafter S wrote:
Maybe, but I've seen some of them. They make good cows, and are a consistent dark red, with varying amounts of white on the face, instead of the crayon box of colors you get from Beefmasters.


That 1/4 SH goes a long way when adding chrome

Why don't the gerts chrome up like the Beefmasters when the gerts are 62.5% Shorthorn and the BM are only 25%(plus %25 Hereford)?


Maybe it was the combination of Hereford and Shorthorn that put the chrome on them.

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:30 am
by Caustic Burno
Post Oak wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:
Rafter S wrote:
Maybe, but I've seen some of them. They make good cows, and are a consistent dark red, with varying amounts of white on the face, instead of the crayon box of colors you get from Beefmasters.


That 1/4 SH goes a long way when adding chrome

Why don't the gerts chrome up like the Beefmasters when the gerts are 62.5% Shorthorn and the BM are only 25%(plus %25 Hereford)?


That was a mutant dark red color gene that stuck came out of a bull named Monkey . The King ranch secured from the Pierce ranch a bull that was 1/2 Brahman and SH bull was mated to SH this mating produced Monkey that is the foundation bull of all modern day gerts.

I was well educated in the hateful breed as a young man. Uncle ran a herd of 250 of them and I was the ranch gofer.

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:00 am
by BC
To answer the question of why Gerts don't "chrome" up, they were selected for solid color. I like a little white on the udders of my Gert cows. My experience is those cows seem to milk a little heavier. I have seen the same thing in Brangus.

Caustic, the breed has changed from your and mine younger days. They are not your uncle's Gerts. Here is a picture of a late 1960's early 70's bull and a modern Gert bull.

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Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:22 am
by ALACOWMAN
BC wrote:To answer the question of why Gerts don't "chrome" up, they were selected for solid color. I like a little white on the udders of my Gert cows. My experience is those cows seem to milk a little heavier. I have seen the same thing in Brangus.

Caustic, the breed has changed from your and mine younger days. They are not your uncle's Gerts. Here is a picture of a late 1960's early 70's bull and a modern Gert bull.

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. Yep that older bull's type really hurt the breed....and it's been a struggle to recover..ad that and bad temperament... And they seemed more trouble than they were worth...you could build a saddle outa that sheath..

Re: Santa gurtrudis cross cattle!!

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:31 am
by Rafter S
BC wrote:To answer the question of why Gerts don't "chrome" up, they were selected for solid color. I like a little white on the udders of my Gert cows. My experience is those cows seem to milk a little heavier. I have seen the same thing in Brangus.

Caustic, the breed has changed from your and mine younger days. They are not your uncle's Gerts. Here is a picture of a late 1960's early 70's bull and a modern Gert bull.

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BC,

Do you know if anyone maintained any of the Mayfair Gert bloodlines?